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Val McClatchey's camera identified, contained editing software

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Killtown said:
Hey, it's the liar and
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Gravy!

Hey, I heard you think there was no scheduled hijacking drill on 9/11, is that true?
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No, Killtown, there was one scheduled, but it wasn't run because of the terrorist hijackings. As always, your sources are wrong.

Your only criterion for Val McClatchey's guilt is if her photo was photoshopped. I've asked you many times and you've refused to answer: do you have a single shred of evidence that it was?

If not, why have you behaved so horribly to this victim of 9/11? What, exactly has she done, Killtown?
 
CFLarsen said:
Killtown,

From your blog:

Also, I do not know at this time if the editing software that came with her camera could be used to photoshop a smoke plume on her photo and I do not know if Val, or her husband have photoshopping skills.

Don't you think you should do a little legwork on this, before you start getting all excited?
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Oh, I'm pretty sure he has done the legwork. His conspiranoia would not pass up the opportunity to prove that the software could produce the plume in the photo. My guess is that he has found an answer he doesn't like and so he prefers to leave the question hanging in the air with the statement "it is not known if the editing software her camera came with was able to photoshop that plume on her photo".
 
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Middle aged woman found guilty of not understanding the poxy software that came bundled with her new camera! To the gallows with her!

Well done Killtown, the world's a safer place. (For everyone except Val of course.)
 
Wake up you sheeple! Don't you know that all $300 cameras come bundled w/ pro photo editing software that would cost $800 on its own?
 
you state she was in financial trouble, and yet had a 300 dollar camera, well as previously stated, she is a realtor, as such im surprised her camera was that cheap

also, it appears according toy ou post she and/or her husband owned another business, yet another reason to own a good camera


Killtown said:
Notice who this Penn Lines article tells people to make their check out too. But don't worry, Val uses the honor system to forward the proceeds to the Beamer Foundation.
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what evidence do you have she uses the "honor system" she asks that all checks be made out to the todd beamer foundation, this is pretty mucht eh opposite of the "honor system"

Killtown said:
1) Well the news article said she didn't. That is incorrect.
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1: its doubtful she ever even looked at the software
2: its HIGHLY doubtful the software is capable of making the edits you seem to be implying it did
3: you have no proof she was ever even in possession of the bundled software, are you certain this wasnt her helicopter freinds camera she was borrowing? or maybe she got it second-hand or as an open box item and it didnt come with the disc
 
Killtown said:
As I ALREADY SAID, just wanted to point out that she did have access to photo-altering software unlike the Post-Gazette said.
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Yeah, ok. You've done that. Now the $64,000 question: So what?

Hey, I'm just asking questions.
 
So I guess that Killtown is now conceding there was no "ordnance plume" at Shanksville, because he now believes the picture was photoshoped.
 
WildCat said:
So I guess that Killtown is now conceding there was no "ordnance plume" at Shanksville, because he now believes the picture was photoshoped.
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nah truthers can have as many conflicting theories as they want because they are "just asking questions"

although if it was photoshopped it begs the question, how does this implicate the government? and if it was them, why did they make it look so unlike a jet crash (as shown by killtowns previous "research")
 
Gravy said:
...why have you behaved so horribly to this victim of 9/11? What, exactly has she done, Killtown?
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Excellent question, one which I've wondered about myself. It sure seems like our K-boy has what you might call a certain fixation on Mrs. McClatchey. After all, it isn't like her photo proves much one way or the other -- even if it were totally faked (something for which K-boy has yet to provide a single atom of evidence), so what? It isn't like the whole official explanation of 9/11 would come crumbling down. Instead, it looks like he harbors something personal against the poor woman. Like maybe she represents something in his life that he really resents, and is now punishing by taking it out on her.
 
I own a PC, and we know that every computer comes with Windows, and all windwos packages come with photo editing software (paint at the verfy least)

Not to mention....what exactly is your point Killtown. I know you listed several numbered points, but what is your point for posting this over all...what is your motive behind it?

TAM
 
Killtown said:
As I ALREADY SAID, just wanted to point out that she did have access to photo-altering software unlike the Post-Gazette said.
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Software that come with digital cameras could never replace photoshop. As already mentioned before, they either deal with cropping, the image, color tones (black and white, etc), removing red-eye, or simply resizing the ENTIRE image.

None of the programs listed on the HP Photosmart page could even match up with Photoshop. Basic Windows XP even comes with some pseudo-image manipulation.

To even suggest that she managed to alter the plume with this software is laughable and shows your ignorance when it comes computers or media. What was the point of this post again?
 
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you state she was in financial trouble, and yet had a 300 dollar camera, well as previously stated, she is a realtor, as such im surprised her camera was that cheap
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I'm not. She's a realtor, not a professional photographer. She probably just wanted something that she could point and click, and where it is easy to get the photos out of the computer.

Woe to the realtor that doesn't provide photos of the real estate she is trying to sell.

Which furthers the idea that she isn't computer savvy enough to use the software - or perhaps were simply not interested in it.
 
CFLarsen said:
I'm not. She's a realtor, not a professional photographer. She probably just wanted something that she could point and click, and where it is easy to get the photos out of the computer.

Woe to the realtor that doesn't provide photos of the real estate she is trying to sell.

Which furthers the idea that she isn't computer savvy enough to use the software - or perhaps were simply not interested in it.
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ive done a lot of PC work for realtors, they all seem to have very fancy and expensive cameras, not sure why, a cheaper model would do them just as good, but whatever, lol
 
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If not, why have you behaved so horribly to this victim of 9/11? What, exactly has she done, Killtown?
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I've wondered about this too.

Why this particular obession?

Why the apparent need to make this woman's life a misery?

Are you jealous that it wasn't you who took the picture?

What's in it for you?
 
Babylon Sister said:
Are you jealous that it wasn't you who took the picture?
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IMO that's exactly it, in most cases. This historic event is of such importance, that everyone wants to be a part of it and achieve some measure of immortality. Some look at the people involved, and see that they are just ordinary people (like them), and are a part of 9/11 history only because of their closeness (geographically and through family) to the event. To compensate for their lack of involvement they try to horn in where they can, and belittle and/or demonize the people genuinely involved (whether they deserve it or not). Some want only their 15 minutes (or 24 hours in 5stargenerals case), others want to be written about in a hundred years (Alex Jones, Dylan Avery) and don't care who they hurt to get it.

What sickens me (and I wrote about this elsewhere) is when they try to compare their sitting at home (or work) typing a blog or on a forum as equal to what many sacrificed on 9/11. Do they think this poor woman expected this to happen when she took those photos? She probably thought she might get her name in the paper and make a few bucks. I don't know if she was listening to the radio in her car and knew this was connected to the WTC and Pentagon, if she did she might have thought about the importance of getting early pictures of this crash. However, I'm pretty sure she didn't think she would be accused of being a part of mass murder and have her home address and phone number posted on a site where wackos frequent (JREF included).

Killtown, go out and do some actual good in the world. Donate blood, create a playground for families, plant a tree in a park, join a volunteer fire department, or (better yet) donate your computer to a school (they'll probably do something more important with it than you). You may not achieve historical signifigance, but you might make someone's life a little better and be remembered by them at least.
 
Babylon Sister said:
I've wondered about this too.

Why this particular obession?

Why the apparent need to make this woman's life a misery?

Are you jealous that it wasn't you who took the picture?

What's in it for you?
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The obsession is because this is his one brief shining moment. Why Dylan himself chucked him under the chin and said "Attaboy!". :D I think he then tossed him a fish!

Killtown found his little puzzle and went all pixel-ated, and tried to make a huge deal of it so he could hang out at the cool kids' table in the cafeteria. He'd found something the Big Men on Campus had missed, by golly! He'd show them!

They bought it (not having the combined intelligence of a Romper Room graduating class), and now he's going to defend his asinine, mean-spirited, idiotic premise until the end of time. If he doesn't, Dylan's going to make him scrape the gum off the seats in the auditorium, and the bigger boys are going to go back to giving him wedgies and making fun of his acne! :eek:

Jeez - I go play on another forum for a day, and I come back to find The General has arrived and Killtown is back. Can't I leave you guys alone for even a single day without you messing up the family room? :cool:
 
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