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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
...Clayton Moore is saying that vaccine contents, not the vaccine concepts, are damaging people. Damaging the being that has evolved to the present. He is saying that the more the vaccine concept is polluted with additives injected through the skin, for whatever reason, the more likely the human body will be subjected to "breakdown."

Adjuvants do their assigned task but your body doesn't have an exit method for them. Like the mercury of fillings or from tuna the adjuvant substances can mess you up in MYSTERIOUS ways.

In other words your body isn't equipped to deal with many foreign substances that are entered into the body through the skin.

http://www.nvic.org/doctors-corner/Aluminum-and-Vaccine-Ingredients.aspx

In 1996, the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a position paper on Aluminum Toxicity in Infants and Children which stated in the first paragraph, “Aluminum is now being implicated as interfering with a variety of cellular and metabolic processes in the nervous system and in other tissues.[3]

A review of the medical literature on aluminum reveals a surprising lack of scientific evidence that injected aluminum is safe. There is limited understanding of what happens to children when aluminum is injected into their bodies, including whether or not it accumulates in tissues and organs or is properly eliminated from the body. It is also unknown if genetic factors affect long term adverse health outcomes for those injected with aluminum containing vaccines.
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Giving a vaccine(s) to an unhealthy infant/child is obviously unwise? Why is that?

Now tell us how a doctor knows whether an infant/child has been/is becoming ill but is symptom-less?
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What does this have to do with vaxx causing autism?
 
Robrob said:
By the way, still waiting for the name of even one of those "vets" you claimed know who gave up their career rather than receive vaccinations.
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I strongly suspect that he was not telling the the truth about that. He will never refer to it again, that his his usual tactic when caught in a lie.
 
So Clayton still waiting for rock solid evidence that vaccines cause asthma and autism and also now just one of these veterans you claim to know
 
Clayton Moore said:
Let's see. Big pharma and the mainstream media insist vaccines are absolutely safe but close to NONE of the vaccines are tested with a control group. They have convinced much of the American public that questioning the safety of vaccines is criminal.

Yet commercial after commercial airs up front and personal that if you've taken DRUG X, Y, or Z contact my law firm.
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You seem to be confusing two different things. Vaccines are not new. Many of these have been in use for half a century. And with such a long history, when there are problems, the data is there. The only one that comes to mind is the Saben version of the polio vaccine. Something like 14 people a year contracted polio from the vaccine.

New drugs go through animal testing and then clinical trials. New drugs obviously don't have long track records and some problems only turn up when they are used by a large group of people. When potential problems do show up, it can take awhile to figure out what is really going on. Reye's Syndrome comes to mind.
 
dafydd said:
I strongly suspect that he was not telling the the truth about that. He will never refer to it again, that his his usual tactic when caught in a lie.
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Not exactly. His "core" lies usually he'll try to rephrase and represent, or wait a few months and try them again. Often enough, he simply ignores people calling him out, asking for evidence, or actively disproving him.
 
pakeha said:
What does this have to do with vaxx causing autism?
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He's assuming that since large doses of aluminum have neurotoxic effects, tiny doses of aluminum in vaccines must also have neurotoxic effects, therefore vaccines cause autism because aluminum.

Clayton, care to corroborate your non sequitur with scientific evidence?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Clayton Moore is saying that vaccine contents, not the vaccine concepts, are damaging people.
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Clayton Moore is obsessing with the obvious fact that vaccines have side effects that do damage people.
Clayton Moore is denying the obvious fact that vaccines have saved harm to millions of people.
Clayton Moore is making up fantasies about vaccine "additives".
Clayton Moore is lying:
Adjuvants do their assigned task and your body does have an exit method for them (generally excreted through the kidney).
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Clayton Moore is displaying his ignorance:
The mercury in vaccines (ethyl mercury) is not the same as mercury in fillings or tuna. The mercury compounds in the few vaccines that contain it are quickly flushed from the body.
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Clayton Moore is lying:
In other words your body is equipped to deal with many foreign substances that are entered into the body through the skin. There is a little thing called the immune system for example :eek:!
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Clayton Moore is continuing to cite anti-vaccine crank web sites rather than the real credible science.

Clayton Moore is ignorant:
Giving a vaccine(s) to an unhealthy infant/child is obviously unwise because they are unhealthy :eye-poppi!
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Clayton Moore's 31 statements and 237 days of ignorance and delusion

Time for an update:
  1. Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
    First asked 4 March 2013 - 237 days and counting!
  2. Clayton Moore, Do you really think that autism is a form of cancer?
    First asked 8 April 2013 - 205 days and counting
  3. Clayton Moore, Please cite the scientific evidence for levels of carcinogens in vaccines enough to affect the vaccinated.
    First asked 8 April 2013 - 203 days and counting
  4. Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause allergies.
    First asked 10 April 2013 - 203 days and counting
  5. Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause cancer.
    First asked 10 April 2013 - 203 days and counting
  6. Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause MS.
    First asked 10 April 2013 - 203 days and counting
  7. Clayton Moore: are you rational enough to understand that 2002 is not 2013, etc. :biggrin:
    First asked 18 April 2013 - 195 days and counting
  8. Clayton Moore, Please cite your evidence for the rise of autism between 1978 and 1988
    First asked 26th April 2013 - 188 days and counting
  9. Clayton Moore, Are you intelligent enough to cite the science that vaccines can cause asthma?
    First asked 30th April 2013 - 180 days and counting
  10. Clayton Moore: Sources for 60 years ago there was little fear of the measles, mumps, or chicken pox
    First asked 14 May 2013 - 159 days and counting
  11. Clayton Moore: Evidence for the increase in chronically sick people in the USA
    First asked 15 May 2013 - 153 days and counting
  12. Clayton Moore, Exactly how is the Danish study "bogus"?
    First asked 24 May 2013 - 159 days and counting
  13. Clayton Moore, What is your evidence that any immune system can be "over simulated"?
    First asked 10 June 2013 - 141 days and counting
  14. Clayton Moore, Have you any idea what a citation to the scientific literature is?
    Your continued citations of crank web sites says no!
    First asked 13 June 2013 - 140 days and counting
  15. Clayton Moore, Cite the evidence that Al in vaccines increases Alzheimer’s Disease
    First asked 14 June 2013 - 138 days and counting
  16. Clayton Moore, Please give the source for the cause of death of this "little girl"
    This will actually take a while because you made up a fantasy about the cause while the ME's verdict is outstanding.
    First asked 17 June 2013 - 134 days and counting
  17. Clayton Moore, Can you cite the evidence that support your statement that vaccines are a "debacle"?
    First asked 24 June 2013 - 127 days and counting
  18. Clayton Moore, Show that drug companies have a "poor drug testing track record"
    First asked 25 June 2013 - 126 days and counting
  19. Clayton Moore, What is your evidence that the medical community is "basically" never taken to task on the safety of vaccines?
    First asked 25 June 2013 - 126 days and counting
  20. The delusion of citing an upcoming film from an ignorant, paranoid anit-vaxer (Jeff Hays interviews the quack Andrew Wakefield!)
  21. The delusion that there are mysterious "additives" in vaccines that harm children.
    Clayton Moore, Please supply a list of the current additives to vaccines that have been shown to harm children.
    Or is this just another of the paranoid, ignorant delusions that you have been infected by (:xtongue) from the crazy web sites that you get your information from?
    First asked 2 July 2013 - 129 days and counting.
  22. Clayton Moore: Does ASD have the same symptoms as mercury or lead poisoning?
    (they do not as anyone who can read cane find out)
    First asked 18 July 2013 - 115 days and counting.
  23. Clayton Moore: do you have the fantasy that vaccines contain lead?
    First asked 18 July 2013 - 115 days and counting.
  24. Clayton Moore: Do you think that autism is an autoimmune disease?
    First asked 19 July 2013 - 104 days and counting.
  25. Clayton Moore,
    What is your evidence that the CDC is in "minionship to drug and vaccine companies"?
    First asked 26 July 2013 - 101 days and counting.
  26. Clayton Moore: Do you not know that vaccines have side-effects?
    First asked 16 September 2013 - 44 days and counting.
    That is the only reason that I can see why you are rather insanely trying to list every person in the world that has ever had a vaccine side-effect :rolleyes: !
  27. Clayton Moore
    What is your evidence that only vaccines "are destabilizing millions of years of human evolution"?
    First asked 17 September 2013. 43 days and counting.
    It is almost as you are unaware that modern agriculture, civil works (sewers, etc.), medicine, etc. exist!
    Clayton Moore: For that matter what does "destabilizing" mean in evolutionary terms? Evolution almost by definition is not stable!
  28. Clayton Moore: What is your evidence that this paper is "fabricated propaganda"?
    First asked 17 September 2013. 43 days and counting.
  29. Clayton Moore: What was the actual medical cause of Christina Richelle Tarsell's death?
    First asked 23 September 2013 - 36 days and counting.
    So far you are just parroting a web site where the parents mourning the tragedy of an undetermined cause of death are desperately fantasizing a cause for that death.
  30. Clayton Moore, can you recognize your citation of an ignorant and paranoiac person?
    First asked 1 October 2013: 28 days and counting.
  31. Clayton Moore: Do you understand that GWS is not caused by squalene in the vaccines?
    First asked 17th October 2013: 12 days and counting.
Some other idiocy:
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://www.nvic.org/doctors-corner/Aluminum-and-Vaccine-Ingredients.aspx
In 1996, the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a position paper on Aluminum Toxicity in Infants and Children which stated in the first paragraph, “Aluminum is now being implicated as interfering with a variety of cellular and metabolic processes in the nervous system and in other tissues.[3]

A review of the medical literature on aluminum reveals a surprising lack of scientific evidence that injected aluminum is safe. ...
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I will point out the stupidity in the quoted part of the web site and thus the stupidity in quoting it.
Aluminum Toxicity in Infants and Children is about the aluminum in dialysis, saline drips and some infant formulas. Nothing to do with vaccines.

There is no citation to this "review of the medical literature on aluminum". It looks like a personal search of the author based on incompetence (or a lie) since there is a Wikipedia article with sources: Vaccine controversies
Aluminium compounds are used as immunologic adjuvants to increase the effectiveness of many vaccines.[81] In some cases these compounds have been associated with redness, itching, and low-grade fever,[81] but its use in vaccines has not been associated with serious adverse events.[82] In some cases aluminum-containing vaccines are associated with macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF), localized microscopic lesions containing aluminium salts that persist up to 8 years. However, recent case-controlled studies have found no specific clinical symptoms in individuals with biopsies showing MMF, and there is no evidence that aluminium-containing vaccines are a serious health risk or justify changes to immunization practice.[82] Over the first six months of it's life, an infant ingests more aluminium from dietary sources such as breast milk and infant formula than it does from vaccinations.[83][84]
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I pointed out that all it would take would be a few doctors, out of millions throughout history, to blow the lid off the conspiracy.
 
Robrob said:
You missed his claim doctors don't immunize their children and that the children of doctors and the rich have a lower rate of autism than the general population.
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He does talk a load of bollocks. The things that some people will do to attract attention.
 
I've been pondering. In this thread Clayton has either linked to crackpot sites or to serious sites that contradict his claims. By the law of averages he should link to a serious site that supports his claim now and again. I can only conclude that there are no serious scientific sites that support any of his views on vaccination. Would I be correct in this assumption?
 
barehl said:
You seem to be confusing two different things. Vaccines are not new. Many of these have been in use for half a century. And with such a long history, when there are problems, the data is there. The only one that comes to mind is the Saben version of the polio vaccine. Something like 14 people a year contracted polio from the vaccine.

New drugs go through animal testing and then clinical trials. New drugs obviously don't have long track records and some problems only turn up when they are used by a large group of people. When potential problems do show up, it can take awhile to figure out what is really going on. Reye's Syndrome comes to mind.
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Wrong. The vaccine concept is not NEW. Vaccines are constantly new and IMPROVED (=souped up). What you and the others don't GET is that injecting MULTIPLE ONE FREAKING SIZE FITS ALL VACCINES into infants and children is absolutely INSANE.

It's not a precisely measured drug. It's freaking multiple, sometimes up to 8, concoctions that disperse to who knows where in a tiny body.
 
clayton it is not insane and has been proved to be safe and effective.

Once again your ignorance is on display.

care to explain the scientific evidence for ANY of your assertions???

care to provide any evidence that the rich and Doctors do not immunize their children???
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Wrong. The vaccine concept is not NEW. Vaccines are constantly new and IMPROVED (=souped up). What you and the others don't GET is that injecting MULTIPLE ONE FREAKING SIZE FITS ALL VACCINES into infants and children is absolutely INSANE.

It's not a precisely measured drug. It's freaking multiple, sometimes up to 8, concoctions that disperse to who knows where in a tiny body.
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Why is it insane, and why does the size of the human matter?

dafydd said:
I've been pondering. In this thread Clayton has either linked to crackpot sites or to serious sites that contradict his claims. By the law of averages he should link to a serious site that supports his claim now and again. I can only conclude that there are no serious scientific sites that support any of his views on vaccination. Would I be correct in this assumption?
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It's hard to prove a negative, but since a serious site would presumably have the standard of serious evidence to make a claim, and no such evidence exists... it is probably absent from serious sites.
 
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