Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[swright777]

clayton you have shown conclusively you do not understand how evolution works, it is not a linear progression for one thing, if it was just a matter of strength why has the Sabre tooth Tiger disappeared......

Because there never was one?

I like the wrong name better too. It sounds scarier.

 

[Mojo]

Last time I looked evolution is forward not reverse, stronger not weaker.

You weren't looking in the right place, then.

 

[Mojo]

The latest insanity is:

• Thinking that vaccines can "destabilize" evolution.

That's rather like Kumar's concern that effective medicine (or as he calls it, "today's prefered interventions") will weaken the species by "propagating unfits to bring unfittness".

 

[dafydd]

Last time I looked evolution is forward not reverse, stronger not weaker.

Those loony websites are not reliable sources of information. Try reading a good book about the subject.

 

[pakeha]

Last time I looked evolution is forward not reverse, stronger not weaker.

An interesting point, but incorrect.
Also, you've not taken into account sexual selection, which sometimes throws a spanner in the works.
In any case, we've discussed genetic mutations in relation to autism before, haven't we?

 

[Bingowings]

Here is an example of the government just flat out lying and destroying lives by vaccine.

http://lewisunderground.com/topic.jsp?topicId=11532224

... --- 3 years ago - quote

Some questions and comments from military personnel are posted below.

I followed the link. This quote is originally from thinktwice.com. They call themselves "The Global Vaccine Institute". thinktwice.com is an offshoot of the clue-free New Atlantean Press, but enough well-poisoning. It should be sufficient to say that they keep getting rubella and chickenpox mixed up. One of these diseases may lead to your unborn child suffering from shingles, an excruciatingly painful condition, in later life if you contract it while pregnant. The other could kill your child in the womb.

Anyway, what has anthrax got to do with MMR and autism? Is this a clever puzzle? Anthrax is to MMR as MMR is to autism?

 

[carlitos]

I just got my flu vaccine. I'm feeling a little more evil now. And mine was the kind that doesn't have any live virus in it. Maybe it's a demon or something.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I just got my flu vaccine. I'm feeling a little more evil now. And mine was the kind that doesn't have any live virus in it. Maybe it's a demon or something.

Good luck with that.

 

[Reality Check]

Last time I looked evolution is forward not reverse, stronger not weaker.

Whoops, Clayton Moore, look again rather than you are displaying your ignorance .
Evolution has no direction.
Evolution is not about how strong a species is eye-poppi). Evolution is basically about how a population fits its environment.

 

[Reality Check]

I've already proven many times that vaccines cause most instances of autism.

That is a lie, Clayton Moore:
Clayton Moore's 31 statements and 222 days of ignorance and delusion

1. Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
   First asked 4 March 2013 - 222 days and counting!

 

[abaddon]

Last time I looked evolution is forward not reverse, stronger not weaker.

Umm, no. That is not how evolution works. That is the childlike explanation.

 

[Reality Check]

Here is an example of the government just flat out lying and destroying lives by vaccine.

http://lewisunderground.com/topic.jsp?topicId=11532224

That is an example of you being fooled yet again by a crank web site, Clayton Moore !
And the ignorance of thinking that anthrax or smallpox is autism !

In this case it is a page with paranoid fantasies about vaccines.

The story you quote is especially insane because they got sick in the months after getting an anthrax vaccination and then a small pox vaccination. Their symptoms were:

• baldness
• eyesight got worse
• migraine headaches and
• stomach aches

These symptoms continued for a long time.
These symptoms are not of anthrax or smallpox.
These symptoms are not vaccination related. The anthrax vaccination for example has well known side effects: erythema, induration, soreness, fever.

It is obvious to everyone except ignorant paranoids that this is a condition he acquired independently of and around the time of the vaccinations.

 

[Robrob]

I've had vaccinations for anthrax, yellow fever, plague, hep a, hep b, cholera, you name it.

Doesn't seem to have hurt me any nor anyone else I've ever known who've all had the same shots.

Funny...

 

[Clayton Moore]

I've had vaccinations for anthrax, yellow fever, plague, hep a, hep b, cholera, you name it.

Doesn't seem to have hurt me any nor anyone else I've ever known who've all had the same shots.

Funny...

Lies can be funny, sad, pathetic, evil, or downright rotten.

 

[dafydd]

Lies can be funny, sad, pathetic, evil, or downright rotten.

I've had all the vaccinations too, with no ill effects. Are you calling me a liar too? We will pass over your ignorance of evolution. When will you man up and address these?

Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.

First asked 4 March 2013 - 222 days and counting!
Clayton Moore, Do you really think that autism is a form of cancer?
First asked 8 April 2013 - 190 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Please cite the scientific evidence for levels of carcinogens in vaccines enough to affect the vaccinated.
First asked 8 April 2013 - 188 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause allergies.
First asked 10 April 2013 - 188 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause cancer.
First asked 10 April 2013 - 188 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause MS.
First asked 10 April 2013 - 188 days and counting
Clayton Moore: are you rational enough to understand that 2002 is not 2013, etc.
First asked 18 April 2013 - 180 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Please cite your evidence for the rise of autism between 1978 and 1988
First asked 26th April 2013 - 173 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Are you intelligent enough to cite the science that vaccines can cause asthma?
First asked 30th April 2013 - 165 days and counting
Clayton Moore: Sources for 60 years ago there was little fear of the measles, mumps, or chicken pox
First asked 14 May 2013 - 154 days and counting
Clayton Moore: Evidence for the increase in chronically sick people in the USA
First asked 15 May 2013 - 153 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Exactly how is the Danish study "bogus"?
First asked 24 May 2013 - 144 days and counting
Clayton Moore, What is your evidence that any immune system can be "over simulated"?
First asked 10 June 2013 - 126 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Have you any idea what a citation to the scientific literature is?
Your continued citations of crank web sites says no!
First asked 13 June 2013 - 125 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Cite the evidence that Al in vaccines increases Alzheimer’s Disease
First asked 14 June 2013 - 123 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Please give the source for the cause of death of this "little girl"
This will actually take a while because you made up a fantasy about the cause while the ME's verdict is outstanding.
First asked 17 June 2013 - 119 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Can you cite the evidence that support your statement that vaccines are a "debacle"?
First asked 24 June 2013 - 112 days and counting
Clayton Moore, Show that drug companies have a "poor drug testing track record"
First asked 25 June 2013 - 111 days and counting
Clayton Moore, What is your evidence that the medical community is "basically" never taken to task on the safety of vaccines?
First asked 25 June 2013 - 111 days and counting
The delusion of citing an upcoming film from an ignorant, paranoid anit-vaxer (Jeff Hays interviews the quack Andrew Wakefield!)
The delusion that there are mysterious "additives" in vaccines that harm children.
Clayton Moore, Please supply a list of the current additives to vaccines that have been shown to harm children.
Or is this just another of the paranoid, ignorant delusions that you have been infected by () from the crazy web sites that you get your information from?
First asked 2 July 2013 - 104 days and counting.
Clayton Moore: Does ASD have the same symptoms as mercury or lead poisoning?
(they do not as anyone who can read cane find out)
First asked 18 July 2013 - 90 days and counting.
Clayton Moore: do you have the fantasy that vaccines contain lead?
First asked 18 July 2013 - 90 days and counting.
Clayton Moore: Do you think that autism is an autoimmune disease?
First asked 19 July 2013 - 89 days and counting.
Clayton Moore,
What is your evidence that the CDC is in "minionship to drug and vaccine companies"?
First asked 26 July 2013 - 86 days and counting.
Clayton Moore: Do you not know that vaccines have side-effects?
First asked 16 September 2013 - 28 days and counting.
That is the only reason that I can see why you are rather insanely trying to list every person in the world that has ever had a vaccine side-effect !
Clayton Moore
What is your evidence that only vaccines "are destabilizing millions of years of human evolution"?
First asked 17 September 2013. 27 days and counting.
It is almost as you are unaware that modern agriculture, civil works (sewers, etc.), medicine, etc. exist!
Clayton Moore: For that matter what does "destabilizing" mean in evolutionary terms? Evolution almost by definition is not stable!
Clayton Moore: What is your evidence that this paper is "fabricated propaganda"?
First asked 17 September 2013. 27 days and counting.
Clayton Moore: What was the actual medical cause of Christina Richelle Tarsell's death?
First asked 23 September 2013 - 21 days and counting.
So far you are just parroting a web site where the parents mourning the tragedy of an undetermined cause of death are desperately fantasizing a cause for that death.
Clayton Moore, can you recognize your citation of an ignorant and paranoiac person?
First asked 1 October 2013: 13 days and counting.

The latest insanity is:

Thinking that vaccines can "destabilize" evolution.
Insulting the father of a child and the judge in a trial about vaccination: The father and judge are idiots according to Clayton Moore.
This is doubly insane since Clayton Moore has stated before that he is not against vaccination.

 

[Dcdrac]

yes the lies spread by the anti vaccination crowd are rotten very rotten and have demonstrably caused real avoidable harm and deaths.

 

[Clayton Moore]

yes the lies spread by the anti vaccination crowd are rotten very rotten and have demonstrably caused real avoidable harm and deaths.

Government lies at work.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#anthrax

Severe Problems

Serious allergic reaction (very rare - less than once in 100,000 doses).

As with any vaccine, other severe problems have been reported. But these don’t appear to occur any more often among anthrax vaccine recipients than among unvaccinated people.
There is no evidence that anthrax vaccine causes long-term health problems.

Independent civilian committees have not found anthrax vaccination to be a factor in unexplained illnesses among Gulf War veterans.

How can thousands of servicemen become chronically ill without explanation?


The highlighted makes absolutely no sense. It's gibberish, double talk.

 

[swright777]

Lies can be funny, sad, pathetic, evil, or downright rotten.

And according to your posts, they are sometimes true.

 

[Alareth]

Lies can be funny, sad, pathetic, evil, or downright rotten.

And yet you seem to be dedicated to spreading them. Why is that?

 

[Dcdrac]

Clayton tha looks like the standard caution you see for any clinical treatment once again another link you have not read properly, there is nothing unclear about the statement you highlighted.