Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Giordano]

Absurd. How could genetic predispositions to autism begin concurrently and accelerate across oceans and infiltrate family genes?

Clayton, you've posted that very question before and it has been answered by me and by other posters. Did you fail to see those responses? If you did see them and disagree with them, please explain specifically why you disagree. If you have trouble understanding the relationship of parental aging, de novo mutations, and geographic gene distributions described in these prior posts, I am happy to explain in more detail.

 

[abaddon]

Absurd. How could genetic predispositions to autism begin concurrently and accelerate across oceans and infiltrate family genes?

Because they are genetic.

 

[Giordano]

ahahahha The point was it didn't take over 40 years to figure out what was causing AIDS.

And it only took a few months to figure out the virus that was causing SARS! In fact if a virus caused autism we would certainly know about it by now. But autism is not caused by a virus, so it is a much more difficult problem. Do we know specifically what causes Alzheimers? Most human cancers? Why some people on high fat diets develop heart disease but others do not? Do we even know why I have such a feeling of deja vu in writing this post?

It is remarkable that you express such trust in the talents of the medical research community, but believe them to be murderous conspirators at the same time. Truly evil geniuses, I gather...

 

[TsuDhoNimh]

The sad part is that people believe the medical community when they say vaccines are safe but that same medical community says they can't figure out, after 40 plus years, what happens to 1 1/2 year old toddlers all over the world that causes their autism.

Good grief, wrong again ... all of the current evidence points to a defect in the brain development early in gestation caused by a genetic defect (de novo or hereditary). Gene sequencing - not available 40 years ago, heavily used now.

As for the increasing prevalence, a change in the diagnostic protocol and increased funding for children with developmental disabilities takes care of the supposed increase.

Although there is strong circumstantial evidence that organic foods are the real culprit. See the attached graph.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Do we know specifically what causes Alzheimers? Most human cancers? Why some people on high fat diets develop heart disease but others do not? Do we even know why I have such a feeling of deja vu in writing this post?

Yet WE are so dam presumptive that we inject multiple adjuvants with up to 9 vaccines into infants without blinking an eye.


adjuvant - definition of adjuvant by the Free Online Dictionary ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/adjuvant
Novartis also initiated deliveries against the 90 million doses of proprietary adjuvant, which could be used to double the amount of vaccine doses produced.
That sounds like a windfall.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Good grief, wrong again ... all of the current evidence points to a defect in the brain development early in gestation caused by a genetic defect (de novo or hereditary). Gene sequencing - not available 40 years ago, heavily used now.

As for the increasing prevalence, a change in the diagnostic protocol and increased funding for children with developmental disabilities takes care of the supposed increase.

Although there is strong circumstantial evidence that organic foods are the real culprit. See the attached graph.

How's that for sincerity?

 

[Dcdrac]

and what has all that got do with autism and MMR?

 

[000063]

Every one of your supposed responses have nothing to do with what I said.

Even the ones asking you direct questions and pointing out that you made up stuff?

I literally pointed out that the immune system, if it's working properly, is designed to react to foreign substances, and several vaccines were in fact made based on the natural immune response. They found things that were naturally giving people resistance, and decided to purposefully administer it to them.

There's still no cure for AIDS either. But they know what causes AIDS.[/QUOTE]Which should tell you something. There are diseases that can't be cured even when we know what causes them. We don't know what causes autism, which means it would be much harder to cure.

Absurd. How could genetic predispositions to autism begin concurrently and accelerate across oceans and infiltrate family genes?

Every time.

Every time you try to sound smart.

ahahahha The point was it didn't take over 40 years to figure out what was causing AIDS.

Your point, perhaps. Entirely irrelevant to mine.

Yet WE are so dam presumptive that we inject multiple adjuvants with up to 9 vaccines into infants without blinking an eye.

There are trials and tests for this sort of thing, as has been pointed out. Scientists don't just mix crap together in a beaker, put it into a needle, and inject it into every baby they see. And many of the people with vaccines for their kids are doctors. Are they all in on it? What if someone vaccinates their kids, then finds it causes autism? Are they going to keep the secret?

adjuvant - definition of adjuvant by the Free Online Dictionary ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/adjuvant
Novartis also initiated deliveries against the 90 million doses of proprietary adjuvant, which could be used to double the amount of vaccine doses produced.
That sounds like a windfall.

And? There's a lot of money to be made when you have something that works.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1114448/000110465909061309/a09-32488_16k.htm

Interesting how you ignore #3975 and 3976.

 

[pakeha]

The sad part is that people believe the medical community when they say vaccines are safe but that same medical community says they can't figure out, after 40 plus years, what happens to 1 1/2 year old toddlers all over the world that causes their autism. ...

Nothing happens to 1 1/2year old toddlers 'that causes their autism'.
Haven't you been following the thread?

 

[Reality Check]

The sad part is that people believe the medical community when they say vaccines are safe but that same medical community says they can't figure out, after 40 plus years, what happens to 1 1/2 year old toddlers all over the world that causes their autism.

There are a few sad parts about that post, Clayton Moore.

1. Your ignorance that vaccines are safe.
2. Your ignorance that vaccines do not cause autism.
3. Your ignorance about autism and its diagnosis.
4. That you think that the cause of autism not being determined means that you can make up any fantasy that you like about its cause.

It is diagnosed in "1 1/2 year old toddlers all over the world". It does not magically appear at that specific age. It is a diagnosis of an already existing disorder.

You seem to be unable to understand the simple fact that unvaccinated and vaccinated children develop autism, e.g. A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism

This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.

 

[Reality Check]

Yet WE are so dam presumptive that we inject multiple adjuvants with up to 9 vaccines into infants without blinking an eye.

Wrong: We are so advanced that we use a thing that you seem not to know about - science - to evaluate the effect of doing what nature already does!
We add a mere 9 vaccines to this enormous vaccination program that nature does to every infant.

Making vaccines work just as good with less vaccine is good, Clayton Moore !
Adjuvant - the actual definition of adjuvant by the Free Online Dictionary
www.thefreedictionary.com/adjuvant

1. A pharmacological agent added to a drug to increase or aid its effect.
2. An immunological agent that increases the antigenic response.

P.S. Clayton Moore, You need to learn what a definition is instead of highlighting random text from that web page. That suggests that you are unable to tell the difference between the Novartis vaccine against the A(H1N1) flu and the MMR vaccine.

Adjuvant

An adjuvant (from Latin, adiuvare: to aid) is a pharmacological or immunological agent that modifies the effect of other agents, such as a drug or vaccine. They are often included in vaccines to enhance the recipient's immune response to a supplied antigen, while keeping the injected foreign material to a minimum.[1][2]

 

[crhkrebs]

How's that for sincerity?

How's that for "pot calling the kettle black"?

How about showing some sincerity (and integrity) and showing your evidence on how the MMR vaccine produces autism.

If it is so obvious, like you claim, surely the evidence after 40 years must be overwhelming.

 

[Bram Kaandorp]

How's that for "pot calling the kettle black"?

How about showing some sincerity (and integrity) and showing your evidence on how the MMR vaccine produces autism.

If it is so obvious, like you claim, surely the evidence after 40 years must be overwhelming.

It is a conspiracy, right? Therefore a lack of evidence is evidence for the conspiracy.

So actually, Clay has been giving the best argument for a link anyone can ever give; by omitting the evidence.

 

[Clayton Moore]

[/LIST]It is diagnosed in "1 1/2 year old toddlers all over the world". It does not magically appear at that specific age. It is a diagnosis of an already existing disorder.

It does appear at the age of about 1 1/2 just after the MMR poke.

The medical community says it's a coincidence.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7788846&postcount=783

 

[dafydd]

It does appear at the age of about 1 1/2 just after the MMR poke.

The medical community says it's a coincidence.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7788846&postcount=783

You have yet to present any evidence to show that it is not a coincidence. I'm beginning to think that you have no evidence.

 

[zooterkin]

It does appear at the age of about 1 1/2 just after regardless of whether they have the MMR poke.

FTFY.


abc

 

[Sherman Bay]

It does appear at the age of about 1 1/2 just after the MMR poke.

So does 2-limb walking, or not long after. So I guess MMR vaccine causes toddlers to stand up? How awful!

 

[pakeha]

It does appear at the age of about 1 1/2 just after the MMR poke.

The medical community says it's a coincidence.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7788846&postcount=783

And?

 

[Reality Check]

It does appear at the age of about 1 1/2 just after the MMR poke.

The medical community says it's a coincidence.

Yes, it does appear at the age of about 1 1/2 just after the MMR poke. I do not disagree with this coincidence.

So do a lot of things, e.g.

• the ability to walk.
• the ability to be toilet trained.
• they start to speak clearly (and loud!)
• the recognition that things have names.

No one would be foolish enough to think that the MMR vaccination causes these.
This points out one of the fundamental problems with your fantasy, Clayton Moore. You ignore the positive things that happen around the time of the MMR vaccine and obsess on the one thing that that the MMR vaccine has nothing to do with !

The medical community and anyone with the ability to read says it's a coincidence.

 

[Estellea]

It does appear at the age of about 1 1/2 just after the MMR poke.

The medical community says it's a coincidence.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7788846&postcount=783

As others have pointed out and I know I have numerous times, there are certain developmental milestones that are achieved at around that time and thus it is difficult to determine the absence or stasis of certain developmental characteristics before they are expected to happen. One of my children experienced a developmental leap after a jab at that age, by your logic I should attribute that to a "vaccine reaction".

Este