Utah: No to ID!

[Atlas]

Yup, nothing like falsifiability.

Theory of Gravity would be falsified if the next item dropped falls up instead of down ....

Narratives like Theory of Evolution are difficult to falsify.

Evolution is foundational. Problems with it will appear in biology or genetics or some other science.

Newton's Gravity wasn't completely trashed when it was found wanting. Einstein's Gravity changed the theory dramatically but not too much locally.

Evolution is a fact like gravity is a fact. Things change, species change. But it may yet be superceded by a more complete theory.

 

[tsg]

So true. I shudder to think that pseudoscientists, who make a mockery of the scientific method, and who claim the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, have been able to inject their bogus, religiously drenched so-called "science" into American classrooms.

It absolutely infuriates me that people who don't have the slightest understanding of evolution, or even science in general, are given a say about what gets taught in a science class. Since when do we have to consider all opinions, no matter how ridiculously uninformed, as equally valid?

It is not only a giant embarrassment to our nation, but an ominous sign.

A great big yellow one reading "Warning: Dark Ages Ahead".

[Edited to correct my grammar. I am a Grammar and Spelling Nazi, but only to my own comments.]

 

[ohms]

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It can happen in any order -- if someone could come up with some hard data that doesn't fit into the theory of evolution, that would demand a serious re-thinking of evolutionary theory and it would put "God did it" back on the intellectual map, so to speak.

I disagree. Only some hard evidence that "God did it" would be enough to put it back on the intellectual map, as you say.

So far their only argument seems to be "I don't believe evolution is true. Therefore God did it" which is far from sufficient.

 

[Bronze Dog]

Since when do we have to consider every opinion, no matter how ridiculously uninformed, as equally valid?

It's because we have to have balance. We can't have anything as one-sided and absolute as truth taught to our children. It's biased.

A great big yellow one reading "Warning: Dark Ages Ahead".

Funny... Whenever I enter a book store with a "New Age" section, it's mysteriously relabeled "Dark Age" shortly before I leave. I wish.

 

[drkitten]

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I disagree. Only some hard evidence that "God did it" would be enough to put it back on the intellectual map, as you say.

Well, what would you propose as an alternative explanation assuming that evolution is absolutely falsified? (Obviously, I'm proposing a rather whacked-out scenario here, but when you make hypotheticals, you're allowed to make crazy ones.)

 

[Bronze Dog]

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Well, what would you propose as an alternative explanation assuming that evolution is absolutely falsified? (Obviously, I'm proposing a rather whacked-out scenario here, but when you make hypotheticals, you're allowed to make crazy ones.)

Me: Not sure. Depends on what falsified it. But whatever alternatives people came up with, they'd have to find a way to test it, just like anyone else. ID would gain absolutely nothing from that hypothetical scenario.

 

[tsg]

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Well, what would you propose as an alternative explanation assuming that evolution is absolutely falsified? (Obviously, I'm proposing a rather whacked-out scenario here, but when you make hypotheticals, you're allowed to make crazy ones.)

The point is that falsifying one explanation doesn't give another any more merit. If all the evidence of evolution were disproven, then neither evolution nor creationism would have any merit. It's an example of the "False Dilemma" fallacy and is exactly what the creationists are engaging in when they try to discredit evolution. Making evolution's case weaker doesn't strengthen theirs.

 

[Atlas]

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Well, what would you propose as an alternative explanation assuming that evolution is absolutely falsified? (Obviously, I'm proposing a rather whacked-out scenario here, but when you make hypotheticals, you're allowed to make crazy ones.)

Did someone say whacked out? I love it when I get an invitation to the party.

Something between natural and supernatural, hmmm....

I'll hypothesize a new understanding of time that allows future man to travel back and start life deep in prehistory, as well as killing off the dinosaurs and kick starting the different species with DNA from future creatures or simple on the spot embryonic tinkering.

Where did future man come from? Well, all those messy details are clarified in the new theory of time.

ETA: As it was written- "He woth a creature who invented himself."

 

[tsg]

It's because we have to have balance.

Yeah, the way a feather can balance a Buick...

Funny... Whenever I enter a book store with a "New Age" section, it's mysteriously relabeled "Dark Age" shortly before I leave. I wish.

The proper pronunciation of that word is "newage", rhymes with "sewage".