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Utah: No to ID!

kevin

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Wow! The Utah Board of Education has rejected Intelligent Design for inclusion in science classes.

"the Utah Board of Education on Friday unanimously approved a position statement supporting the continued exclusive teaching of evolution in state classrooms. "

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2997771

The article lists one ID arguement I hadn't seen before:
"SETI is an attempt to identify intelligent design in radio signals from outer space, signals with an intelligent origin rather than a natural origin," he said. "If we can try to detect intelligent design in signals we receive from outer space, why can't we detect intelligent design in genetic codes we see in biology?"
 
Here is the first time in history anyone will ever say this: Utah is an admirable model and the rest of the country should follow suit.
 
kevin said:
The article lists one ID arguement I hadn't seen before:
"SETI is an attempt to identify intelligent design in radio signals from outer space, signals with an intelligent origin rather than a natural origin," he said. "If we can try to detect intelligent design in signals we receive from outer space, why can't we detect intelligent design in genetic codes we see in biology?"
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Because the detection of ID in genetic codes would destroy the entire fabric of materialism and Scientism .... :)
 
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hammegk said:
Because the detection of ID in genetic codes would destroy the entire fabric of materialism and Scientism .... :)
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Oh, come off it. What sort of genetic material would ID proponents admit is naturally occuring?

SETI and ID are not even remotely similar. SETI uses a wealth of scientific knowledge about both natural radio signals and human-generated signals as a baseline for deciding whether a new signal could be the product of an alien intelligence. Because we know that both natural and artificial radio signals exist (and the properties of each), we can sort signals into one category or the other without making fools of ourselves.

ID, on the other hand, asserts without evidence that the genetic code of all living things is the product of intelligent design. No comparison is made, as there is no baseline to compare it with. The closest its proponents come is to compare known genetic material to random genetic material and declaring they don't match. They then make the absurd leap of equating "naturally occuring" with "random" and declare that the genomes of known life forms could not possibly be naturally occurring.
 
I'm shocked! Go Utah! If such a religious state can make the right descision, there's hope after all. Of course, I don't know what Mormans have to say about where we came from.
 
I believe they have made a wise decision.
Perhaps they were touched by HIS noodly appendage?
 
kevin said:
"If we can try to detect intelligent design in signals we receive from outer space, why can't we detect intelligent design in genetic codes we see in biology?"
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Another clever example of twisting a statement so that it appears to mean something slightly different than what it actually means. In order for those two options to be comparable, the question should be phrased: If we can try to detect intelligent design in signals we receive from outer space, why can't we try to detect intelligent design in genetic codes we see in biology?

The answer is, of course, you can try. Go ahead and try. And when you have discovered some convincing evidence, you may present it. I, for one, will not be holding my breath waiting.
 
kevin said:
Wow! The Utah Board of Education has rejected Intelligent Design for inclusion in science classes.
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Yes!! There is a god!! I mean...uh......nevermind.:p
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The Mormons don't want any religious competition, that's all.
 
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Gr8wight said:
.... If we can try to detect intelligent design in signals we receive from outer space, why can't we try to detect intelligent design in genetic codes we see in biology?
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No reason, other than most efforts are trying not to find any evidence, should it even exist.


The answer is, of course, you can try. Go ahead and try. And when you have discovered some convincing evidence, you may present it.
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That effort is being made by a very few "competent individuals" (although that seems to be a favorite point for attack of the individuals) with nothing convincing to most scientists so far.


I, for one, will not be holding my breath waiting.
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Nor I. The philosophy and science -- dare I say religion-- based on materialism has no apparent death-wish for itself.
 
I have to say that this is the first bit of news I've read that makes me think there's actually hope for the United States. Just a glimmer, but still some hope.
 
Kenny 10 Bellys said:
I have to say that this is the first bit of news I've read that makes me think there's actually hope for the United States. Just a glimmer, but still some hope.
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Same here.

Well, a little.

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I just realised how pessimistic I've become... :nope:



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SETI is an attempt to identify intelligent design in radio signals from outer space, signals with an intelligent origin ...
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Maybe we could get SETI to try to pick up any intelligently produced radio waves from local amoeba colonies.

That, I'm sure, would prove the existence of God to anyone who was already a believer.
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
How are they doing that?
~~ Paul
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IMO, by approaching every dataset and analysis with the idee fixe that materialism is the only viable philosophy; ergo Darwinian-etal evolution is the only possible answer.

Do you think the formation of the chemical elements was a process controlled by randomness and "natural selection"?
 
This is great news. And actually, we must give props to the Republican governor of Utah, Jon Huntsman. He came out strongly against ID about a week ago.

Regarding the SETI thing, I emailed this article and quote to Phil Plait and Seth Shostak, in the hopes that they can address this on the SETI radio show tonight. ;)

Randi will also be a guest on Seth's show tonight, so this one will be worth tuning in for!
 
The notion of saying "Go, Utah!" is as foreign to me as it apparently is to a lot of other posters, but--Go Utah!


...I feel all weird now.
 
Here's to Utah, doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons!
 
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