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Moderated Using wrong pronouns= violence??

johnny karate said:
How many times a day on average are you being told this? No need for an exact number; you can round to the nearest multiple of 10.
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Not since my kids were in high school. But we are not talking about frequency. We are talking about UC Boulder guidelines, specifically regarding pronoun usage. Whether we experience them outside of the UC Boulder setting is irrelevant. It's a consideration of the abstract.
 
Thermal said:
Not since my kids were in high school. But we are not talking about frequency. We are talking about UC Boulder guidelines, specifically regarding pronoun usage. Whether we experience them outside of the UC Boulder setting is irrelevant. It's a consideration of the abstract.
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I also feel preemptively harassed by minor inconveniences that I will almost certainly never actually experience.

This is a perfectly normal and emotionally-healthy way to feel.
 
To reiterate yet again, this thread is 30+ pages based on a misunderstanding of what the OP article was saying. Namely, there are many types of violence and psychological violence is the type being referred to. Further, they make it quite clear that accidental misgendering is not the problem they are addressing, but rather malicious misgendering.

It makes no distinction whether or not you believe transgender is a "real thing" or not. This is, essentially, a code of conduct.
 
In this clip Helen Joyce explains she will never refer to Elliot Page as he because it adds to the danger and confusion young lesbians are subjected to.
I agree.

https://youtu.be/UaBnHdNxeVw

I look forward to an argument explaining this is violent.

There are other matters better in the trans thread, not sure if posting the link twice is OK.
 
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Upchurch said:
She's still just a mathematician speaking outside her field of expertise.
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She is reminding people that glamourising mutilation and drugs for young women poses a danger to their mental health and some will follow the leader.
How many would be too many, and of concern?
The trans regretters say never accede to false pronouns. They had skin in the game.

Scott Newgent is just one.
 
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Upchurch said:
She's still just a mathematician speaking outside her field of expertise.
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Which field of expertise is qualified to tell us whether we should be more worried about missexing or misgendering when using pronouns?

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d4m10n said:
Which field of expertise is qualified to tell us whether we should be more worried about missexing or misgendering when using pronouns?
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People who study human behavior and the effects of stressors on human psychology? So, sociologists or psychologists, perhaps medical doctors who deal with trans patients?
 
Upchurch said:
I thought you were asking about the effects of misgendering on trans people. My apologies if I misunderstood.

Could you clarify your question?
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Misgendering sounds like another coopted word.
Helen Joyce would call it correct gendering to stave off social and medical harm amongst young lesbians.
I consider the debate might/should be rebalanced to seek the greatest good for the greatest number, and that false pronouns oppose that utilitarian principle.
 
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Samson said:
Misgendering sounds like another coopted word.
Helen Joyce would call it correct gendering to stave off social and medical harm amongst young lesbians.
I consider the debate might/should be rebalanced to seek the greatest good for the greatest number, and that false pronouns oppose that utilitarian principle.
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Fallacy: Appeal to Authority.
 
Samson said:
Misgendering sounds like another coopted word.
Helen Joyce would call it correct gendering to stave off social and medical harm amongst young lesbians.
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You been trying to pass Joyce off as an authority for a while. Why should anyone care about Joyce’s opinion on a topic in which she has no particular expertise? What makes her opinion better than yours or mine?

Samson said:
I consider the debate might/should be rebalanced to seek the greatest good for the greatest number, and that false pronouns oppose that utilitarian principle.
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I don’t think you are objectively evaluating the situation. Regardless, you can take that up with CU Boulder. It’s their policy we’ve been discussing.
 
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Thermal said:
That's....that's great. Any thoughts on the topic at hand?
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Sorry, I’m still too upset about the idea of a hypothetical transgender person expecting me to refer to them by their preferred pronouns. I’m obviously not in the right mental space to deal with anything else after experiencing the ordeal of imagining myself having to show another human being a modicum of respect and courtesy. I’m hoping my plan to ceaselessly whine about it on an internet forum will help me process the trauma.
 
johnny karate said:
Sorry, I’m still too upset about the idea of a hypothetical transgender person expecting me to refer to them by their preferred pronouns. I’m obviously not in the right mental space to deal with anything else after experiencing the ordeal of imagining myself having to show another human being a modicum of respect and courtesy. I’m hoping my plan to ceaselessly whine about it on an internet forum will help me process the trauma.
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....ok. Uh, you keep doing you. I have no idea who or what you are referring to.
 
johnny karate said:
Okay, cool. Sorry if any of this made you feel harassed. Seems it’s like a weirdly easy thing to do.
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Well weird does seem an apropos descriptor.

You did get that I posted repeatedly that I have no issues with referring to a trans person with the s/he they identify as, right? Maybe not, as your replies make no sense if you had. Maybe making sense is not your objective?
 
The above exchange is accomodating of good manners.
I would like to be discouraged from regarding pronouns as sinister and dangerous.
With well reasoned discourse that allows for the real fact that courts and media describe male killers as she, where it is not automatic the masquerade is exposed.
 
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johnny karate said:
How many times a day on average are you being told this? No need for an exact number; you can round to the nearest multiple of 10.
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In my entire life, in the real world and online for me it's been a grand total of zero. (ETA: Have to put in -of course - as far as I can recollect.)

(That is working in or for large companies with HR departments desperate to show they do something, that is working in "customer facing" roles and with entire teams of people the incel movement rejected as being too weird and introverted for them. And in my personal life knowing a diverse group of people.)

And yes I would think it ludicrous if someone wanted me use a new word as their personal pronoun but you know what - I'd try. It's no skin off my nose, pronouns are not something particularly important for me and I already try to remember many folks' foibles and strange little ticks as it helps to keep life running smoothly.
 
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