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Moderated Using wrong pronouns= violence??

Hercules56 said:
No one forced you to contribute to this thread. There are various ways to ignore it.
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I'm happy to contribute to the thread, mostly by correcting completely unlettered ideas about how any of this works.

The OP? It's not even a nothingburger. It's a nothingsalad. With nothingdressing on the side.
 
Hercules56 said:
Threats of violence get prosecuted all the time. As they should be.
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mumblethrax said:
Did I say they weren't prosecutable? I'm pretty sure I said they aren't violence.

If threats of violence are violence, then it's impossible to threaten violence, because as soon as you do, you've committed violence.
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Threats of violence can be prosecuted as threats of violence.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's conservatives. The only right they ever care about is the right to be horrible to other people.

I'd point out that a certain someone didn't start one thread about DeSantis banning books or any of the many, many, many times Republicans attacked free speech but the second it was "Hey maybe don't say hurtful things for no reason" it turned into "OH MY GOD I JUST REMEMBERED HOW MUCH I LOVE FREE SPEEECH!" but apparently we're not allowed to notice hypocrisy on this board anymore.

Also I thought violence was how people got their way? Isn't that what gun owners do?
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There is a trans man called Scott Newgent. Don't listen to him because you might develop a nuanced view on pronouns for school kids.
 
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...n-is-speech-violence-and-what-s-the-real-harm

No, speech in itself is a not a form of violence.

When is speech violence? The answer is never. Speech may be upsetting, but that doesn’t make it violence. Speech may be ugly or hateful, but that doesn’t make it violence. Speech may be associated with deleterious physiological effects or even harm, but that still doesn’t make it violence. Speech may even intimidate or threaten violence. That makes it illegal, but it doesn’t make it violence. Equating speech with violence not only robs us of our understanding of ourselves as competent and civil human beings capable of defeating bad ideas with better ones, it gives us license to use physical violence in response to speech––or even in advance, as “self-defense.” For psychologists to assert that speech is violence is not merely incorrect, it’s harmful.
 
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Lurking behind this game of adults discussing pronouns is one logically driven fact.
The use of pronouns in schools is leading to young people being medicalised against their overwhelming best interests. Until this elephant in the room is driven out some kids are at great risk of having their lives ruined, it is happening.

After all, such a life changing view of a child by school and extended family is a serious commitment and there is no pathway I have heard to reverse it.

I would welcome a proof I am wrong, because it is a dystopian pathway if correct.

Spoiler alert, Don't check this interview if completely set in trans gender views.

https://youtu.be/zazsZ_HO3LM

If anyone thinks this is off the thread topic, they have not thought how this Colorado thing all began, and how it is going to further encourage schools to create customers for taking offence at "misgendering".
If pandering to pronouns is leading to medical ruin, not pandering to pronouns is something other than violence.
 
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Mojo said:
Again?
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Yes. Read the post you're responding to--I am not claiming that threats of violence cannot be prosecuted--I'm pointing out that they are not in and of themselves violence, and the idea that they could be is incoherent. They are not "violent speech", because there's no such thing (barring bespoke definitions of violence).
 
Samson said:
Lurking behind this game of adults discussing pronouns is one logically driven fact.
The use of pronouns in schools is leading to young people being medicalised against their overwhelming best interests.
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I really wonder sometimes if anyone in this debate actually understands what pronouns are.
 
mumblethrax said:
Yes. Read the post you're responding to--I am not claiming that threats of violence cannot be prosecuted--I'm pointing out that they are not in and of themselves violence, and the idea that they could be is incoherent. They are not "violent speech", because there's no such thing (barring bespoke definitions of violence).
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Yes, sorry, I misread that. I think I must have somehow missed the "if".
 
mumblethrax said:
Yes. Read the post you're responding to--I am not claiming that threats of violence cannot be prosecuted--I'm pointing out that they are not in and of themselves violence, and the idea that they could be is incoherent. They are not "violent speech", because there's no such thing (barring bespoke definitions of violence).
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The folks at UC Boulder, Berkeley, Middlebury and Evergreen, among others seem to disagree.

They seem to think certain offensive words can indeed equal an act of violence. The same as being kicked.
 
mumblethrax said:
I really wonder sometimes if anyone in this debate actually understands what pronouns are.
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No one knows what pronouns all. But they must be banned to protect the children, and I must be able to assign any pronouns I wish to anyone or I'm being oppressed.
 
Hercules56 said:
The folks at UC Boulder, Berkeley, Middlebury and Evergreen, among others seem to disagree.

They seem to think certain offensive words can indeed equal an act of violence. The same as being kicked.
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The "folks" in question being one or more students in the LGBTQ+ alliance.

I really don't see why this merits any attention at all. It's a common claim in those circles. Yeah, they're wrong, as most people understand the word. Who cares? Do you want me to correct their homework, too?

If you think it's notable every time a student gets something wrong, you'd better clear your schedule.
 
mumblethrax said:
The "folks" in question being one or more students in the LGBTQ+ alliance.

I really don't see why this merits any attention at all. It's a common claim in those circles. Yeah, they're wrong, as most people understand the word. Who cares? Do you want me to correct their homework, too?

If you think it's notable every time a student gets something wrong, you'd better clear your schedule.
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Conservatives have a current hate-on for trans folks, and they need something to be outraged over.
 
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