USA Rapidly Becoming a Pariah State

Directed by Michael Bay. And all on green screen.

With an Elon Musk doll tied up to the front of the 3-mile-per-hour segway. I think I'd watch that.
 
And why would that be? Because we're securing our own borders, just as most other nations do? Because we're moving to stop the insane, unconstitutional policy of birthright citizenship, given that many other nations likewise do not offer birthright citizenship? Because we're protecting some of our key industries and workers with tariffs, just as many other nations do? Because we're trying to end the war in Ukraine? Because we're urging NATO nations to finally step up and start honoring their treaty commitments on defense spending? Because we're standing behind Israel again?

Why exactly would America be viewed as a "pariah state"?
 
mikegriffith1 said:
And why would that be? Because we're securing our own borders, just as most other nations do?
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No, you're blaming immigrants for the flow of wealth to billionaires. You are aware billionaires are getter wealthier while you are getting poorer, right?
mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're moving to stop the insane, unconstitutional policy of birthright citizenship, given that many other nations likewise do not offer birthright citizenship?
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Birthright citizenship is in the US constitution.
mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're protecting some of our key industries and workers with tariffs, just as many other nations do?
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So you like paying significantly more for your washing machines and tumble dryers that before tariffs? It did create 1800 jobs, all for the measly sum of ~$800000 per job. Blanket tariffs will be even worse.
mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're trying to end the war in Ukraine?
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By giving the dictator Putin everything he wants and shafting the EU and UK.
mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're urging NATO nations to finally step up and start honoring their treaty commitments on defense spending?
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What NATO? The US president last Friday made clear the USA might not support NATO allies. Ergo, NATO is all but dead.
mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're standing behind Israel again?
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By giving it the green light to ethnically cleanse Palestine.
mikegriffith1 said:
Why exactly would America be viewed as a "pariah state"?
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See above.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
And why would that be? Because we're securing our own borders, just as most other nations do?
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They were already secured. What you really mean is "filtering so only white people can come in".

mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're moving to stop the insane, unconstitutional policy of birthright citizenship, given that many other nations likewise do not offer birthright citizenship?
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It's in your constitution, dude. You want to change that, fine. But that means an official change to your constitution. Your Mandarin Moron president cannot legally just hurl out another Executive Order and then pretend like he has overridden it by fiat. It's an official crime.
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

Based on the first sentence of Section 1, the Court has held that a child born in the United States of Chinese parents who were ineligible to be naturalized themselves is nevertheless a citizen of the United States entitled to all the rights and privileges of citizenship. The requirement that a person be subject to the jurisdiction thereof, however, excludes its application to children born of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, or children of members of Indian tribes subject to tribal laws. In addition, the citizenship of children born on vessels in United States territorial waters or on the high seas has generally been held by the lower courts to be determined by the citizenship of the parents. Citizens of the United States within the meaning of this Amendment must be natural and not artificial persons; a corporate body is not a citizen of the United States.
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mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're protecting some of our key industries and workers with tariffs, just as many other nations do?
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You already had that in place. And you also had a Trump-signed free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico that he reneged on. So we can't trust these Americans to keep their word, now. He's a liar, and he's your president.

mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're trying to end the war in Ukraine?
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By selling Ukraine to Putin. That's not "ending" anything, that's surrendering. Thought you GOPpers never surrendered. Here's a question for you as an American: If the Russians invaded the USA, how much of the country would you be prepared to give up to make a peace deal? A few square miles? Hawai'i? Alaska? Quarter of the states? Half of the continent? ...all of it?

mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're urging NATO nations to finally step up and start honoring their treaty commitments on defense spending?
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Urge away. You do remember they all stood with you in Iraq and Afghanistan with military forces, don't you? They ones you said they don't have?

mikegriffith1 said:
Because we're standing behind Israel again?
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No, you're standing behind the warmongering, murderous, fascist Israelis who are but a tiny fraction of Israel. Most Israelis don't want a bar of this Gaza business.

mikegriffith1 said:
Why exactly would America be viewed as a "pariah state"?
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You don't play well with others. You are obviously palling up to murderous dictators. You betray and bully allies. You can't be trusted as a nation any more to honour your word or agreements. Your new government is a pile if anti-intellectual morons and grifting fascists. And it all shows.

Whose side are you going to be on?
 
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Bit late to this thread ... but anyway ...
In my 50's I was starting to show signs of illness that wasn't going to get better with time so ...
Me and my wife decided to go round the world for a year, sort of backpacking but with a small suitcase each and mostly staying in places a step or two up on hostels.

On our travels we met loads of younger Americans doing the same sort of thing. I was amazed how many of them travelled with a maple leaf flag sewn to their rucksack. I asked why and was constantly told that it made their life on the road easier.

A few years earlier I spent a fairly long time recording music with various people in the Bay Area. My english accent ensured that I was invited to so many parties and stuff so that my US friends could show off their "Brit" pals. It was a great time.

I've no idea what that shows except my US friends had very wealthy friends so the hospitality was excellent. Of course all of them were commie liberals.
 
kookbreaker said:
Good grief you are do painfully wrong. Did you ever actually read the Constitution or did you just decide everything you are told to hate must be unconstitutional?
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I do love Mike's framing of that, though- "moving to stop..." There's a right way and a wrong way to do that. The first involves leaving it up to courts to rule on the issue, and, if that doesn't come out how you'd like, go through the process of amending the Constitution. Letting a president have the right by executive-order fiat to decide the issue how you want? That's the wrong way- you might even say it's the unconstitutional way.
 
Norman Alexander said:
You don't play well with others. You are obviously palling up to murderous dictators. You betray and bully allies. You can't be trusted as a nation any more to honour your word or agreements. Your new government is a pile if anti-intellectual morons and grifting fascists. And it all shows.

Whose side are you going to be on?
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Adding to this --despite how painfully obvious it is by now how fascist and deranged Dump is, and how he is indeed intent on not just ending democracy but also seemingly to dismantle the government as a whole, not to mention how he's openly threatening to invade neighbouring nations, he still enjoys an approval rate of 46.1%.
 
kookbreaker said:
Good grief you are do painfully wrong. Did you ever actually read the Constitution or did you just decide everything you are told to hate must be unconstitutional?
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That poster believes whatever the Diapered Dictator tells him to believe,.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Adding to this --despite how painfully obvious it is by now how fascist and deranged Dump is, and how he is indeed intent on not just ending democracy but also seemingly to dismantle the government as a whole, not to mention how he's openly threatening to invade neighbouring nations, he still enjoys an approval rate of 46.1%.
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Exactly!

The US is getting the President and the government that it wants.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
And why would that be? Because we're securing our own borders, just as most other nations do? Because we're moving to stop the insane, unconstitutional policy of birthright citizenship, given that many other nations likewise do not offer birthright citizenship? Because we're protecting some of our key industries and workers with tariffs, just as many other nations do? Because we're trying to end the war in Ukraine? Because we're urging NATO nations to finally step up and start honoring their treaty commitments on defense spending? Because we're standing behind Israel again?

Why exactly would America be viewed as a "pariah state"?
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Same energy as the kid nobody at school likes insisting he’s cool because his mom says so.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I'm hoping the UK will rapidly see the sense of rejoining the EU, within weeks if not days.
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The EU that's drifting to the political right?

Rising wealth inequality is the reason populist right wing parties are doing so well everywhere. All mainstream parties can offer is the non-solution of "growth". It's a non-solution because we've exceeded the limits of what our planet can support. The only way to tackle wealth inequality is to redistribute wealth more fairly. Developed economies need to give up on growth in GDP and use more useful metrics for human flourishing. I don't think either are going to happen.

The US is just the first big country to fall to right wing populists. They'll be in charge in many more countries over the next decade or two as climate change and environmental degradation increase the cost of living, whilst at the same time everyone except the ultra-wealthy get poorer.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
The EU that's drifting to the political right?

Rising wealth inequality is the reason populist right wing parties are doing so well everywhere. All mainstream parties can offer is the non-solution of "growth". It's a non-solution because we've exceeded the limits of what our planet can support. The only way to tackle wealth inequality is to redistribute wealth more fairly. Developed economies need to give up on growth in GDP and use more useful metrics for human flourishing. I don't think either are going to happen.
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Especially not when there's the much easier solution to blame immigration, islamism, the woke, etc.
 
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