USA deserved Russian election meddling

CORed said:
You mean when we didn't care if a leader was a mudering, corrupt dictator as long as he wasn't a Commie? Yes, I remember. And yes, I do understand that in some cases, it was better for our interests to support the murdering corrupt dictator than to let the Communists take over, but I also think that policy often came back to bite us.
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Of course the other issue is that sometimes the Communists were also murdering corrupt dictators. So it wasn't always a decision between "murderous right wing thug" and "peaceful commie looking out for his people".

Now, whether the U.S should be condemned for supporting repressive leaders when the alternative is a leader who will be just as bad (but rule with Soviet support) would be an interesting philosophical debate, but one without a clear answer.
 
Hercules56 said:
For decades the USA has been promoting, enacting and justifying coups all over the world.

Iran, Vietnam, Egypt, Syria, Guatemala, Lebanon, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Chile, Nicuraugua, Panama, etc etc.

We have been sticking our noses in other people's business, and finally its come back to bite us in the ass.

That's why while I don't condone the Russian meddling, I also don't oppose it. I see it as karma and justice for what we have done throughout the world for many years.

Hopefully we have learned our lesson.
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I very seriously doubt any lesson has been learned. Considering how the cold war turned out, and how badly it could have turned out, the containment strategy doesn't look all that bad in retrospect.

What about the Russians? How will this mysterious karmic justice be meted out on them?

"Deserve's" got nuthin ta do with it." - William Munny, before finishing off Little Bill
 
Toontown said:
I very seriously doubt any lesson has been learned. Considering how the cold war turned out, and how badly it could have turned out, the containment strategy doesn't look all that bad in retrospect.

What about the Russians? How will this mysterious karmic justice be meted out on them?

"Deserve's" got nuthin ta do with it." - William Munny, before finishing off Little Bill
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I wonder how the cold war would have gone if the US and its allies just went into isolation mode and let the Soviet bring up communist regimes in every country they wanted too.

Hmmmm I don't think THAT would have been a good idea.
 
Hans said:
I wonder how the cold war would have gone if the US and its allies just went into isolation mode and let the Soviet bring up communist regimes in every country they wanted too.

Hmmmm I don't think THAT would have been a good idea.
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All of Central and South America would look like Venezuela does right now.
 
xjx388 said:
When I saw the thread title, I thought of a different angle. The US "deserved" Russian meddling because we are a bunch of rubes. Too many of us get our "news and opinion" from partisan blogs, internet memes, unsourced nonsense and, sadly, satirical websites like the Onion. Then we pass them along to each other over social media and they become ersatz factoids that too many of us believe. All the Russians did was exploit our own stupidity and I hope that enough of us have learned a lesson. I mean, have you seen some of the stupid Facebook ads they took out? If those ads actually influenced people to vote one way or the other -and you KNOW they did- holy ****, dude, we are toast. If my current Facebook feed is any indication, someone better get the toast and jelly.
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I love the Onion,but agree theat for people to get news from it is really bad.
 
xjx388 said:
When I saw the thread title, I thought of a different angle. The US "deserved" Russian meddling because we are a bunch of rubes. Too many of us get our "news and opinion" from partisan blogs, internet memes, unsourced nonsense and, sadly, satirical websites like the Onion. Then we pass them along to each other over social media and they become ersatz factoids that too many of us believe. All the Russians did was exploit our own stupidity and I hope that enough of us have learned a lesson. I mean, have you seen some of the stupid Facebook ads they took out? If those ads actually influenced people to vote one way or the other -and you KNOW they did- holy ****, dude, we are toast. If my current Facebook feed is any indication, someone better get the toast and jelly.
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I assumed it was going to be about how much hyper-partisan, attack based politics has weakened American democracy.
 
Hans said:
I wonder how the cold war would have gone if the US and its allies just went into isolation mode and let the Soviet bring up communist regimes in every country they wanted too.

Hmmmm I don't think THAT would have been a good idea.
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Obviously the containment mode was the superior strategy.
 
It does seem superior considering the USSR is no more and USA is still up and about meddling in elections or getting our elections meddled by the Russia.
 
Segnosaur said:
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1) The incident occurred within the past few decades (perhaps since the end of the last cold war... since I don't think its fair to judge the U.S. on events many of us either weren't alive for, or weren't of voting age)

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Why not?

It isn't judging the voters, who have little or no control over those sorts of operations at the best of times.
 
Scootch said:
It does seem superior considering the USSR is no more and USA is still up and about meddling in elections or getting our elections meddled by the Russia.
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Baby steps.

Today's Russia is a slight improvement over the USSR.
 
Craig B said:
But giant steps backwards. Today's USA isn't any improvement on previous US regimes.
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the "millenial" vote could fix that in 3 years.

Unless the Christo-Nazis kill their leaders and convert them to Nazo-Christianity first.
 
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