USA 2024: Michelle Obama for POTUS!

[The Atheist]

Can we please stop with the dynastic politics?

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C'mon, it's an American tradition stretching back to the second ever president you had!

And then Chelsea in 2032!

Too ugly. She'd have to wait until she's also a grandmother.

Only as seen through the distorted lens of Obama sycophants.

Gallup only polls Obama sycophants?

More to the point - who believes that admired, popular, gorgeous, are qualifications ?

Millions of voters.

 

[MikeG]

I sure as hell am. People are admired for certain qualities that other people find admirable. Some of those qualities might themselves be qualifications for the job, but being admired is not itself a qualification.

Yep. Fair point.

However, it is difficult to see how one could be admired (with respect to a specific role) without having some of the qualities necessary for that role.

Oh, and I've always felt it faintly ridiculous that anyone talks in terms of "qualified for the job" when discussing candidates for POTUS. No-one is ever qualified for that job until they've got it, and then they've got all the qualifications they'll ever need.

 

[Ziggurat]

Yep. Fair point.

However, it is difficult to see how one could be admired (with respect to a specific role) without having some of the qualities necessary for that role.

But the claim was that Michelle is admired generally, not admired with respect to the specific role of her being President. Since she isn't President, or indeed a politician at all, and since she's never even run for office, I doubt most people's evaluation of her even considers that (and quite reasonably so). Which takes us back to admiration not having any particular worth in and of itself.

 

[The Atheist]

Which takes us back to admiration not having any particular worth in and of itself.

You're saying that people don't vote for candidates they admire.

I think the opposite, so I'd be interested as to why you think public admiration is of no value in an election.

 

[Ziggurat]

You're saying that people don't vote for candidates they admire.

I said nothing of the sort. People vote for all sorts of reasons, not all of them good or rational.

 

[Maya22]

I believe that Michelle Obama would do a good job as a politician, if she chooses that path. Public speaking and writing books is probably less stressful, and possibly more lucrative.

 

[fuelair]

Are you sure Republicans will even be a thing by then?

I certainly hope not!!!! Dead and gone like their ideas into the racist, elitest past.

 

[Puppycow]

I'd take a bet on that now if I could get 15:1 or better.

It seems to me that Michelle Obama is probably the most admired and popular woman in USA right now.

She is:

Gorgeous
Articulate
Intelligent
Dynamic
Believable
Much more popular than he husband

Also, she comes across as someone who would slot into politics like I bet she does a pair of sheer pantyhose.

The kids are old enough now - get into Senate in 2018, 4 years there, two years prepping to take over from Hillary.

I thought about that. I think she could at least do the Senate thing if she wanted to, but I doubt she wants to.

The popularity thing is probably an illusion though. First Ladies are judged differently than if they try to launch a political career. That's when the knives come out and the partisan politics comes into play. Hillary was more popular than her husband at some points too.

 

[The Atheist]

I said nothing of the sort. People vote for all sorts of reasons, not all of them good or rational.

I'll take that as a complete retraction of this comment by you, then:

Which takes us back to admiration not having any particular worth in and of itself.

You are now admitting it will gain votes, therefore it is clearly worth something.

Thanks for your honesty - not many people like to admit being completely incorrect around here.

 

[Hans]

No I don't think she is interested but what about her two daughters? Do they follow dad or her in regards to politics?

 

[The Atheist]

Unlike Clinton, Michelle has not shown an interest in politics her entire career.

I've been thinking about this comment.

Wouldn't non-stop campaigning for Hillary qualify as both interest and experience in politics?

 

[Tony Stark]

I've been thinking about this comment.

Wouldn't non-stop campaigning for Hillary qualify as both interest and experience in politics?

She probably feels like she has to do everything she can to make sure Donald Trump doesn't become President and destroy her husband's legacy (not to mention completely **** up the country).

 

[The Fallen Serpent]

I've been thinking about this comment.

Wouldn't non-stop campaigning for Hillary qualify as both interest and experience in politics?

I was unclear on that. She does great at the support side of politics and I can see her continuing to do what she has done for Barack Obama and Clinton. She definitely has opinions and I fully expect her to be vocal about them. She hasn't shown much interest in doing things like running campaigns or writing policy. She has pushed on healthy eating and gardening, but hasn't shown a general sense of wanting to be in the nitty gritty of political action. Maybe I am wrong though. Maybe she gained a taste for campaigning and will do more than just speeches in the future. She is an experienced lawyer and lawyers do have an easier transition into politics than most careers in my opinion. Also, I could be wrong about her history of political action. Thinking on it, I am making assumptions here based on only the past 8 years. I have not looked into her past to see if she was active or not.

 

[Mumbles]

I don't think it'll happen.

I mean, I'd likely vote for her, but I don't think that she wants to become president.

 

[The Fallen Serpent]

I don't think it'll happen.

I mean, I'd likely vote for her, but I don't think that she wants to become president.

Honestly I would have to see her in a different office first, with at least one major campaign behind her belt. Then I might consider her. Unlikely her views are so divergent from Barack's to make her a no go policy wise, but you never know. The dynasty issue is a negative for me, but less with a spouse than a child. I just do not see it as likely though.

 

[Mumbles]

Honestly I would have to see her in a different office first, with at least one major campaign behind her belt. Then I might consider her. Unlikely her views are so divergent from Barack's to make her a no go policy wise, but you never know. The dynasty issue is a negative for me, but less with a spouse than a child. I just do not see it as likely though.

Here's the thing: the president does not get to dictate police policy. This can be a positive, but in this case it's a negative.

Luke Cage portrays a Harlem that'll survive, regardless. It manages to be even more important than, say, Wakanda.

 

[Ziggurat]

I'll take that as a complete retraction of this comment by you, then:



You are now admitting it will gain votes, therefore it is clearly worth something.

Thanks for your honesty - not many people like to admit being completely incorrect around here.

Oh, for FFS! Context!

Yes, being admired is useful for getting elected. But as someone who wants the president to be actually good at their job and not simply good at winning elections, a candidate being admired is not worth anything TO ME in and of itself. It does not make someone a better president. I am not speaking to the question of whether a candidate finds being admired worth something.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Unlike Clinton, Michelle has not shown an interest in politics her entire career. She may remain a supporting figure after this election, yet I highly doubt she will further involve herself than she already has. She does great at giving supporting speeches, her personal campaigns are fairly low key that only receive minor even token opposition. I just don't see the hallmarks of a person planting the seeds of a future in politics. if anything, I believe she will be happier to be out of the White House and more ably to speak freely.

Mmm
Not greedy for power.
Not interested in a political career.
Prefers freedom.
No-nonsense speeches and campaigns
Widely popular.

That must be the head of state material of our dreams! I'll cherish that dream for a while.

Hans

 

[The Atheist]

Oh, for FFS! Context!

That's exactly what I was using, so well spotted!

Yes, being admired is useful for getting elected.

Ta-da!

That is exactly what I stated. This is why the context of my comment was extremely important, yet you missed it completely despite it being utterly clear.

Not whether she was fit to be president, or would be a good president, just that she would be president.

But as someone who wants the president to be actually good at their job and not simply good at winning elections, a candidate being admired is not worth anything TO ME in and of itself.

Super.

Completely irrelevant to what I'd said, so your mistake was quoting me, when what you wanted to do was start a post with "In my opinion...." and not even mention the actual odds of such an event occurring.

It does not make someone a better president. I am not speaking to the question of whether a candidate finds being admired worth something.

Then you're simply in the wrong thread.

 

[The Atheist]

I'll just skip this in here:

Michelle Obama just savaged Donald Trump with a speech so powerful it left many wondering why she isn't running for president.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11733420