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US Taxes

Mr.Kitchen

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I want to talk about the US tax system. I don't really want to discuss whether it is fair or not instead i want to figure out what the current system is actually doing.

A great example of what i am talking about is the AMT or the alternative minimum tax. This tax was originally passed by congress as an attempt to prevent the very wealthy from paying no income tax. In this it failed miserabley. It did however accomplish somthing else.

Due to legislation passed in the early 80's this tax does not adjust with inflation like regular income tax. This fact means that it has slowly begun to prey upon the upper middle and middle class eating away at tax credits and other benefits congress assigned them. It also applies to such dedcutions like the standard deduction for people who do not itemize.

That this would happen is not a suprise to the people that implemented the legislation concerning it. The reagan administartion knew that this would happen but they left it in their tax cut proposal in order to keep the bill revenue neutral. They considered it a undesirable bu they assumed that future adminstrations would correct it. Too date none have and the bush administration has stated that they will not address the issue until 2005. The kerry campaign has said nothing about it does not seem likely too. the income range for people affected by this tax the most 90,000-500,000.

The information in this post was covered in more detail in the book "perfectly legal" by David Kay Johnston. All qoutes and statemnets of position are from that book.

I was wondering if anyone wanted to discuss this bit of information

Jeremy
 
I sense that you or someone close to you may have been bitten by this "AMT". My roommate was bitten a few years back as well, and his annual income was $57,000, so this tax can and does hit even that range of income.

I would offer my personal opinion on the matter, and even with your disclaimer at the start of your post, I decline. Why? Because a very large majority of the JREF posters, if they sense or even think you are posting something that might reduce the amount you pay, thus reducing the amount of revenue the government can spend on wonderful social programs, then you are forever branded as a "tax protestor". In other words, even a valid questioning of tax law, Constitutional tax law, etc.. will make you un-American, and responsible for the starving children and the homeless. All because you feel that having 60% of your income confiscated by the government, then having that government run up huge deficits, then have candidates for office claim they are for "smaller government" only to increase the budget every fu...g year......
So, pay whatever the government demands, as far as the tax law, if you think it is not fair, too bad, pay your taxes like everyone(ha) else. If the courts and the fed and H&R Block and tax attornies say it's legal and just, then it MUST be so. Otherwise, you are just another frivolous tax protestor who doesn't know jack about taxes.
 
my dad is retired... my step-mom can't work and i am a college student who has never had wages higher than ten dollars an hour and most jobs i have had have been close to minimum.

My mom makes less than 30,000 a year.
I'm not saying don't pay your taxes what i am saying is at least look at what th tax system does and if you don't like it write your congressman and write your senator.

The AMT is only one example. Another is the social security tax it's rates go up while the benefits go down. At the same time the income that you are taxed on is capped at 87,000. Worse the system was changed in the 80's so that a surplus would be built to accommodate the baby boomers. The surplus in the social security system didn't last long as congress soon raided it.

I don't think it is too much to ask people to pay attention.

Besides most tax protestors are not appalled at the repeal of the estate tax, the existance of a myriad ways that people avoid paying their taxes. I'm just upset because the honest tazx payer is getting screwed and the tax evaders are getting away with it.
 
Mr.Kitchen said:
I'm just upset because the honest tazx payer is getting screwed and the tax evaders are getting away with it.


Perhaps more people should become tax-evaders?
 
Maybe not yet but this is derailing the thread. Look either the US system has had too long to rot and decay or sufficient public interest and organization can change things. I'd prefer to discuss tax laws that do the opposite of what they were 'intended' to do.

Jeremy
 
Perhaps you can suggest a topic or section of our tax laws that is "less general" than the 16th amendment; that fits your category of interest.
 

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