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US Officials Declare Eastern Cougar Extinct

No I am making the point that parcher couldn't make his point about cougars without getting in a dig at footers.


Sure I could have, but it was worth mentioning that the two Bigfoot believers in this thread are also "cougars in the East" believers. What makes those topics similar is that there isn't any functional evidence for Eastern cougars or Bigfoot. What you have are anecdotes.

The "dig" is that poor reasoning is at the foundation of both beliefs. Your beliefs are held in spite of there being no good evidence to support them. This forum exists as a place to discuss that situation.
 
Sure I could have, but it was worth mentioning that the two Bigfoot believers in this thread are also "cougars in the East" believers. What makes those topics similar is that there isn't any functional evidence for Eastern cougars or Bigfoot. What you have are anecdotes.

The "dig" is that poor reasoning is at the foundation of both beliefs. Your beliefs are held in spite of there being no good evidence to support them. This forum exists as a place to discuss that situation.

The tiresom epart comes from the the assumptions your side makes, Drew in particular seems fond of telling myself and others what we believe. Interesting that a psychic skeptic should exist.

For the record is the thread is dead for me, as it has stagnated into a pointless tit for tat for semantics so banter amongst yourself until someone says something interesting. This sin't intended as a retreat but as long as Drew insists on telling me what I believe and the like, discussion is pointless.
 
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So you finally admit you're wrong then. It's about time.

Actually, I'm right.

When a cougar really does show up in the East it is confirmed in a variety of linked ways: valid eyewitnesses, valid photo, valid tracks, valid scat and a valid carcass. Again, if native wild cougars really did inhabit the East, all of this would be happening all the time.

This one has an ear tag and radio collar. They do that for some cougars in the Dakotas population. It wandered over to the Michigan UP from the Badlands.

Got any confirmatory evidence for the ones you keep claiming are living in the East? The Connecticut ones and that breeding population in Upstate New York?
 
MIKEYX, please read this. This is from Minnesota. It is clear as day.
Many of the cougars confirmed in Minnesota have had captive origins. Released or escaped pets often cannot be distinguished from wild animals until they are killed or captured and then only if they have obvious indications of captivity (e.g., tattooed, de-clawed, or tame behavior). Some cougars have not had any apparent evidence of being in captivity and may have been truly wild. That may be the case with the car-killed cougar near Bemidji (September, 2009), though complete analysis has yet to be conducted.
The nearest known self-sustaining breeding population of cougars, estimated to number around 250, is in the Black Hills area of South Dakota (and to lesser extent, the North Dakota Badlands), several hundred miles from Minnesota. The only known population of cougars east of the Mississippi River is in Florida (i.e., the ‘Florida panther’), where perhaps 90 -100 wild animals continue to roam, In the mid-2000s, a cougar that was fitted with a radio collar in the Black Hills was later located with telemetry equipment on the Roseau River Wildlife Management Area in northwestern Minnesota. This animal was there for about seven weeks before disappearing. It is possible that additional animals dispersing from the Black Hills or other western areas enter Minnesota. Most animals confirmed in the Midwest in the past 15 years have been young males, the segment of a cougar population most likely to disperse in search of new territories. Once here, cougars are not restricted to territories by neighboring members of their species and therefore could move freely. While potential prey (e.g., deer) is abundant in Minnesota, dispersing cougars are not likely to stay in one area for long, instead continuing to search for suitable habitat with potential mates.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/mammals/cougar/index.html
 
Drewbot, he already admitted he was wrong, YOU latched on to Parcher's arguments to avoid embarrasment over clinging to the escaped pet argument, let Parcher have his moment of humility.

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Drewbot, he already admitted he was wrong, YOU latched on to Parcher's arguments to avoid embarrasment over clinging to the escaped pet argument, let Parcher have his moment of humility.

FFS, which part of administrative categorization for the purpose of the allocation of conservation resources versus the ongoing refinement of scientific taxonomy don't you understand?
 
FFS, which part of administrative categorization for the purpose of the allocation of conservation resources versus the ongoing refinement of scientific taxonomy don't you understand?

Parcher = wrong, Drew = crappy psychic, this really isn't hard.


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Now reported that this same cougar was caught on trailcam twice previously while in Wisconsin. Yes, caught by three different trailcams in 7 weeks. That's kind of amazing. It is like there is a gauntlet or dragnet of trail cameras out there.

The animal was captured by trail cameras twice as it moved through Wisconsin, according to Adrian Wydeven, wildlife biologist for the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.

The Wisconsin sightings were July 25 in northern Douglas County and Aug. 30 in northern Iron County, Wydeven said.

The cougar in all three photos has an ear tag and wears a radio collar. It is believed to have traveled from the western U.S.
 

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One cougar travels 1000 miles, and is caught on camera three times in 7 weeks.
One cougar travels 1500 miles and is caught on camera several times, and get's hit by a car.

Conversely;

A whole population of cougars lives in UPSTATE NEW YORK, and we can't get a bead on them.
 
One cougar travels 1000 miles, and is caught on camera three times in 7 weeks.
One cougar travels 1500 miles and is caught on camera several times, and get's hit by a car.

Conversely;

A whole population of cougars lives in UPSTATE NEW YORK, and we can't get a bead on them.

says who Mister literalist? I've only said I've seen one there, and dont recall saying it absolutely had to be native.

You seem to want to put words into people's mouths to make your case.

You don't help yourself, Ranger Garfunkle.
 
this cougar is a bigfoot pet; he travels in advance of bigfoot and warns him where the trailcams are. Since there are bigfoots in New York, there must be bigfoot pets. Ergo and QED. So there. Drew, who should I bet on this weekend, AZ or Stanford?
 
Eastern Cougars and "panthers" have long been a topic of skepticism. You can find discussions about them here on JREF and on cryptozoology sites and forums. The article is significant because the government is officially saying no.
And we all know the gov't is never wrong.

All hail Bigfoot and other misunderstood critters! :unicorn:
 
this cougar is a bigfoot pet; he travels in advance of bigfoot and warns him where the trailcams are. Since there are bigfoots in New York, there must be bigfoot pets. Ergo and QED. So there. Drew, who should I bet on this weekend, AZ or Stanford?


Jiminy Cricket, you guys need to warn a fellow to keep a coffee mug away from his face while reading this thread. :p
 

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