US Officials Declare Eastern Cougar Extinct

http://www.blueridgeoutdoors.com/go-outside/eastern-mountain-lion-mystery/

The last confirmed records of the Eastern cougar’s existence were in 1938 in Maine. Though the government states the species is extinct, hundreds of sightings are still reported on a daily basis, particularly after the 2011 sighting of a mountain lion in Greenwich, Conn. The cougar had voyaged nearly 1,500 miles from his home in the Black Hills of South Dakota, an incredible feat no doubt, but one that exemplifies the big cat’s dispersal instincts. Although the lone wanderer met a tragic fate on the Wilbur Cross Parkway, his legacy spurred a phenomenon of conspiracy theories. Determined big cat activists have been trying to deceive state Fish and Wildlife Service agencies with false sightings and photographs from the Internet.

“We’re really vulnerable to these hoaxes,” says biologist Tom French of the Massachusetts Fish and Wildlife Service. “The people behind these deliberate scams claim that the state government has been keeping mountain lions a secret. We’re not that good. There’s no way in hell we could have kept that quiet.”

Whether the “sightings” are hoaxes or genuine inquiries is irrelevant. If the Eastern mountain lion is extinct, what are these people seeing?

“We get a lot of photographs from trail cameras that are actually domestic cats,” says Asheville-based Fish and Wildlife biologist Mark Cantrell.

Others have confused lions with coyotes, bobcats, or even deer. Misidentification is typically caused by poor lighting conditions at the time of the sighting.

Jodie's sighting was a really really, real one though.
 
I'm sure her sighting was real; she just didn't sight what she thought she did. Happens all the time. From your link:

If it was a regular poster I would say 'yes, you are probably correct'

But this is Jodie.

She just made us burn 3 pages over in the other thread, and now we are over here talking more about her probably completely fabricated cougar story.

She is loving the legs this cougar whopper has.
 
If it was a regular poster I would say 'yes, you are probably correct'

But this is Jodie.

She just made us burn 3 pages over in the other thread, and now we are over here talking more about her probably completely fabricated cougar story.

She is loving the legs this cougar whopper has.


Yes, I've noticed that everybody pretty much ignores her til she really gets her "woo" on. She likes being the center of attention.
 
How someone could actively participate here, seeing time and time again examples of people making errors of perception, and somehow think him/herself somehow immune to those same misperceptions is truly mind-boggling. This Jodie, is why some of us think it makes more sense to explain your cougar claim as simple trolling. The alternative is that you've been participating in these threads for years in some kind of zombie state that has prevented any penetration of critical thought into the way you process unusual claims.
 
I'm sure her sighting was real; she just didn't sight what she thought she did. Happens all the time. From your link:

There was no mistaking what this was. I'll reiterate this again. I was on a screened in porch of one of those type of cabins/weekend homes that are near the coast or on a flood plain that are required to be built up on tall pier foundations. The porch was elevated about 15 feet off the ground. We saw the deer jump out of the brush, run across the back yard, with a cougar in pursuit. The cougar caught the tail end of the deer and they rolled across the back yard. The cougar lost it's grip and the chase continued through the woods. This was in the late afternoon, plenty of light, there was no way to mistake what kind of big cat was chasing the deer.
 
How someone could actively participate here, seeing time and time again examples of people making errors of perception, and somehow think him/herself somehow immune to those same misperceptions is truly mind-boggling. This Jodie, is why some of us think it makes more sense to explain your cougar claim as simple trolling. The alternative is that you've been participating in these threads for years in some kind of zombie state that has prevented any penetration of critical thought into the way you process unusual claims.

That might be the case but there were three other people on the screened in porch that saw the same thing. These kinds of sightings are common down here. We were more worried about going out to our vehicles at night to leave than amazed that a cougar was in the vicinity.

My critical thinking skills are excellent. You , or anyone else here, should question your own critical thinking skills when you can no longer entertain any thoughts or ideas that fall outside of the box.

You, of all people, should know that the DNR can't state a population of cougars exist without a body or evidence of a breeding population. That doesn't mean that cougars can't realistically be in the state since they do have a wide range of territory that they can travel. So instead of discussing what I saw in an intelligent manner you fall back on belittling me because you are still upset that I called you out on your bad behavior. I think it's time for you to get over yourself.
 
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Yes, I've noticed that everybody pretty much ignores her til she really gets her "woo" on. She likes being the center of attention.

Except for posters like you that really don't contribute anything meaningful to the conversation. Obviously this is some form of entertainment for you because the only thing I've seen from you are these kinds of posts. YOU might want to worry about your own fan club here instead of worrying about mine.
 
Any catamounts seen east of the Mississippi are far flung Western subspecies cats, not examples of the Eastern subspecies surviving despite all evidence to the contrary. So, I am not skeptical that catamounts can be found in the eastern US, I am very skeptical that they are native to the area and are breeding naturally in the area in which they are spotted.
 
Any catamounts seen east of the Mississippi are far flung Western subspecies cats, not examples of the Eastern subspecies surviving despite all evidence to the contrary. So, I am not skeptical that catamounts can be found in the eastern US, I am very skeptical that they are native to the area and are breeding naturally in the area in which they are spotted.
I am highly skeptical of claims of any cougars existing in the East. The continual lack of biological evidence is the evidence of absence. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
 
That might be the case but there were three other people on the screened in porch that saw the same thing. These kinds of sightings are common down here. We were more worried about going out to our vehicles at night to leave than amazed that a cougar was in the vicinity.

My critical thinking skills are excellent. You , or anyone else here, should question your own critical thinking skills when you can no longer entertain any thoughts or ideas that fall outside of the box.

You, of all people, should know that the DNR can't state a population of cougars exist without a body or evidence of a breeding population. That doesn't mean that cougars can't realistically be in the state since they do have a wide range of territory that they can travel. So instead of discussing what I saw in an intelligent manner you fall back on belittling me because you are still upset that I called you out on your bad behavior. I think it's time for you to get over yourself.

Why do they even have such a tough standard? It's not like they are scientists or anything. Is there any reason why three people seeing the same thing wasn't enough to convince them?
 
Any catamounts seen east of the Mississippi are far flung Western subspecies cats, not examples of the Eastern subspecies surviving despite all evidence to the contrary. So, I am not skeptical that catamounts can be found in the eastern US, I am very skeptical that they are native to the area and are breeding naturally in the area in which they are spotted.

Now this seems like a reasonable explanation to me for what we saw since no highway kills have been found in SC that I know about.
 
Why do they even have such a tough standard? It's not like they are scientists or anything. Is there any reason why three people seeing the same thing wasn't enough to convince them?

I can only assume it has to do with having actual physical evidence to acknowledge the species. I'm not familiar enough with their policies or protocols to say for certain.
 
I can only assume it has to do with having actual physical evidence to acknowledge the species. I'm not familiar enough with their policies or protocols to say for certain.

They seem very skeptical. What did the DNR say when you told them?
 
I didn't report it, but the homeowner did. She was told that officially they don't exist because no one has found any physical evidence of cougars in SC; breeding population, documented tracks, or road kill but that they get several sighting reports each year. They think they are coming up from Florida based on what people are reporting. They don't think that it's the same type of big cat when people report seeing black panthers.
 
They think they are coming up from Florida based on what people are reporting. They don't think that it's the same type of big cat when people report seeing black panthers.

A wildlife professional actually said that? S/he actually surmised that Florida panthers are leaving their actual habitat south of Lake Okeechobee to run into folks smoking on their back porches in South Carolina?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther

This population, the only unequivocal cougar representative in the eastern United States, currently occupies 5% of its historic range. In the 1970s, there were an estimated 20 Florida panthers in the wild, and their numbers have increased to an estimated 100 to 160 as of 2011.[5] In 2013, it was reported that there are only 160 Florida panthers in the wild.

Gee, color me skeptical.
 
Here's an even more unbelievable cougar story I have From Alabama. We lived in a house that bordered Oak Mountain State Park. My son and his friends would play in the woods of the park when they were kids. One day when he was 11 years old, he's 28 now, he and the neighbor's boy came in out of breath because they said they were being stalked by a mountain lion.

The story I got was that my son saw the cougar peering at them through some brush. He told the other boy to start walking slow back to the house because there was a mountain lion watching them. They walked slowly down the path until they got to the steep ravine that separated the woods from my back yard. My son said they saw it follow them moving low to the ground. When they got to the ravine they quickly slid down the side of it and scaled up the other side, climbed over our privacy fence, and ran into the house through the back door to the kitchen where I was cooking dinner.

I thought it was just a bob cat, but they pulled up what they saw on the computer and it looked like your typical cougar to me. Needless to say, my son never went in the woods again after that. The area has seen phenomenal growth since then, I doubt a cougar would make it across I-65 now.

http://www.wtvm.com/story/22451523/unconfirmed-cougar-sightings-in-alabama

Here is a game cam photo of a cougar in Alabama:

http://www.fieldandstream.com/pages/discussion-topic-scouting-camera-photo-alabama-cougar
 
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