US Officials Declare Eastern Cougar Extinct

Wow - how did this crap get published? I guess CFN has gone downhill.

Fig 1 looks like legit cougar to me - front print. Fig 4 looks canid. Did you just get confused with the Fig numbers?
Figures 1&4 are both canid, IMO.

There certainly could be occasional cougars in Ontario, but these would again be young males dispersing from the Black Hills breeding population.
 
Figures 1&4 are both canid, IMO.
I'd appreciate a clearer photo on #1, but I see a double-front-end/triple-hind-end with concave lateral edges shape to the heel pad. That's classic cougar. Fig 4 shows single front/double hind shape on the heel pad for classic canid.


There certainly could be occasional cougars in Ontario, but these would again be young males dispersing from the Black Hills breeding population.
Yep, especially in southern Ontario - Algonquin might be a different story.

The black cat I assume dispersed from Farmer Gordon's place.
 
I'd appreciate a clearer photo on #1, but I see a double-front-end/triple-hind-end with concave lateral edges shape to the heel pad. That's classic cougar. Fig 4 shows single front/double hind shape on the heel pad for classic canid.
You are correct. Figure 1 shows a cougar track. The author photographed the track at the Peterborough Zoo.

I guess it would have been nice to mention that in the paper. :rolleyes:
 

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I can't believe how maddeningly vague the paper is on such details.
It gets worse...

Back in August, 2010, a farmer in Wainfleet near Lake Erie, snapped this trail-cam image of, what appears to be a large black cat with a long tail; looking very much like a black cougar.

At the time, Ontario’s foremost cougar expert Dr. Rick Rosatte, dismissed the image as nothing more than “an eye-bending perspective on an overfed tomcat”

Then why doesn't Rosatte say that in his 2011 paper?


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Then why doesn't Rosatte say that in his 2011 paper?
He changed his mind between 2010 and 2011? He took a better look and said, "Those ears are too relatively small for a Felis domesticus and more in keeping with a jaguar?" I agree it looks very little like a puma. Too burly.
You're burying the lead: that bait pile is at least 6' tall and we know who put it there.
Is the bait pile the light-colored pile of what looks like gravel in the foreground? Because that's nothing like 6' tall. More like 12-18", and the tufts of grass behind it from 6-12", which makes Señorita Pussy Gato bigger than a housecat.
 
So Bigfoot put it there to attract edible cats? There's a joke there, but I don't know if the masters of this board are as prudish as Randi. ;)
 
Is the bait pile the light-colored pile of what looks like gravel in the foreground? Because that's nothing like 6' tall. More like 12-18", and the tufts of grass behind it from 6-12", which makes Señorita Pussy Gato bigger than a housecat.

How do you determine a height scale from that image? I see nothing in the image that can give any realistic sense of scale. The focal length of the lens, distance from the subjects and angle of aim to the horizon are unknown, so to me the heights could just as easily be one third your numbers.
 
How do you determine a height scale from that image? I see nothing in the image that can give any realistic sense of scale. The focal length of the lens, distance from the subjects and angle of aim to the horizon are unknown, so to me the heights could just as easily be one third your numbers.
It's a trail camera photo, so there are some factors which can be assumed.
 
They are swarming across Michigan's Upper Peninsula, competing with the exploding Wolf Population.
 
The Yoopers will keep them well in check, with or without a hunting season.

They don't like animals that kill the deer they are illegally poaching.
 
I'm a bit confused with this news. The USFWS already declared the Eastern Cougar extinct back in 2011 (the start of this thread). Now we have a news story saying they just declared it extinct this week.

Eastern Puma Declared Extinct, Removed From Endangered Species List

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service today declared the eastern puma extinct and removed it from the list of protected wildlife and plants under the Endangered Species Act. The eastern puma was a subspecies of the animal also known as cougar or mountain lion, which is still widely distributed across the West. It once roamed as far north as southeastern Ontario, southern Quebec and New Brunswick in Canada, south to South Carolina and west to Kentucky, Illinois and Michigan.

The eastern puma’s range contracted from the 1790s to the 1890s due to human persecution abetted by the extirpation, through hunting, of its primary prey, white-tailed deer. The last three eastern pumas were killed in 1930 in Tennessee, 1932 in New Brunswick and 1938 in Maine.

“The extinction of the eastern puma and other apex carnivores such as wolves and lynx upended the ecology of the original colonies and beyond,” said Michael Robinson of the Center for Biological Diversity. “Over a century after deer went extinct in the Northeast, they have returned with a voracious vengeance, and botanists lament the disappearance of formerly abundant plant communities. We have forests that have lost the top and the bottom of the food chain.”

The eastern cougar was extinct well before it was protected under the Endangered Species Act, as was the case with eight of the other 10 species that have been delisted for extinction. Overall the Endangered Species Act has been 99 percent successful at saving species from extinction...


The same press release shows up on a website called Planet Experts and the comments again show that people in the East insist that the cougar is still there and is regularly seen. As with Bigfoot, we have claims but no confirmatory evidence. When evidence is presented it shows or leads to other species which are not the cougar.

From my experience looking at presented photos these do not show cougars but are instead almost always housecats. Housecats seen with brown, tan or orange color are simply declared as being cougars. When the housecat is black they are declared as being black panthers (melanistic leopard or jaguar) or black cougars (not known to have ever existed anywhere). Sometimes photos of dogs are presented and again the color causes the claimants to say if it is cougar, black cougar or black panther. We also have intentional hoaxes where photos taken of cougars from outside of the East are then claimed to have been photographed in the East.

It is my opinion that many claims are not even mistaken identity but are instead simply fabricated lies.
 
The question is, how far are western cougars willing or able to roam? And is it possible that enough have done so to create a fledgling breeding population in the Eastern US? I firmly believe that the government is right that the Eastern subspecies is extinct, and that any DNA evidence will show the occasional visiting cougar is just that, a wanderer from the west.
 

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