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US Citizen Otto Warmbier, returned from North Korea, has died

ponderingturtle said:
So we are talking about the famines or this guy? What evidence do you have that this was a result of official policy?
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They arrested a tourist on false or at least exaggerated charges and sentenced him to 15 years hard labor at a show trial. That's the policy. He shouldn't have been in custody at all. Whatever caused his injuries might well have been unintentional. So what?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Not on this board or country. The sheriff in question is now a federal official working in INS. He is a favorite commentator on many news outlets, and at one point had a talk radio show.

The right wing just treat that as a nothing event, just one more dead black man in the hands of the police. If he wanted to live he should have stayed out of prison, away from the police, done what they said and stayed calm when they panicked.

Many of those voices are the ones most condemning this tragedy. And yet no one is demanding we bomb milwaukee. Because we at least in theory have options though in reality nothing will happen.

In the case of north korea we really have no options, short of war. And getting hundreds of thousands of south korean civilians killed over the death of one dumb white guy seems excessive.
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That you say "dumb white guy" says something about your ideology..and nothing very good,though you have point that there is no easy military solution to this.
 
The PDJT is trying to take credit for the boy coming home. "It's a disgrace that he wasn't brought home sooner." Yeah, like maybe five months ago??? When he came into power? He had nothing to do with it. (And don't mention the other three Americans currently in captivity.)

I never thought I'd ever say this about any President of our (already) great United States, but... what a prick.
 
Vixen said:
Some guy who owned a mini-cab company near me was caught taking in 2kg of heroin at the Chinese border. He was executed, and this caused a diplomatic incident between UK and China.

Punishment has to be proportionate, even in countries with little concern for human rights.
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When any country does something like that, IMO they forfeit any credibility when saying anything derogatory about Western institutions.
 
US Citizen Otto Warmbier, returned from North Korea, murdered by vile North Koreans -may they long rot in a hell of their own.

Fixed the title.
 
dudalb said:
They ARE Evil, if the word Evil has any meaning.

I find it disgusting that people are acting as apologists for a regime as barbaric,evil and insane as North Korea's is.
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I find it disgusting that as disgusting as it is that people are acting as apologists for a regime as barbaric,evil and insane as North Korea's is; North Korea at least had the presence of mind to not pull out of the paris climate agreement, whereas others did.
 
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p0lka said:
I find it disgusting that as disgusting as it is that people are acting as apologists for a regime as barbaric,evil and insane as North Korea's is; North Korea at least had the presence of mind to not pull out of the paris climate agreement, whereas others did.
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This is some grade A concentrated delusion right here. Other than posturing, what exactly do you think North Korea signing onto the Paris agreement actually does? Do you think it will actually affect the amount of greenhouse gasses North Korea emits? Are you really that gullible?
 
Young Pioneers Tours

Normally low-key, The Economist titled their article "The outrageous death of Otto Warmbier." "'HOW safe is it? Extremely safe!' So read the guidance for North Korea on the website of Young Pioneer Tours when Otto Warmbier, a 21-year-old American student, signed up for a five-day trip to North Korea in December 2015."
 
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p0lka said:
I find it disgusting that as disgusting as it is that people are acting as apologists for a regime as barbaric,evil and insane as North Korea's is; North Korea at least had the presence of mind to not pull out of the paris climate agreement, whereas others did.
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And North Korea makes it illegal for its citizens to have guns, too, so you have that to look positively upon them, as well.
 
Ziggurat said:
This is some grade A concentrated delusion right here. Other than posturing, what exactly do you think North Korea signing onto the Paris agreement actually does? Do you think it will actually affect the amount of greenhouse gasses North Korea emits? Are you really that gullible?
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Can North Korea even emit greenhouse gases? Don't they need at least nineteenth century technology to do that?
 
I'll have to remember the Mt. Everest analogy next time a woman gets raped at a frat party.
 
dudalb said:
though I think if we got solid evidence that NK was near making an ICBM, Then a decapitation strike would become much more likely.
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We should make it a policy to shoot down every ballistic missile launch they try. You don't let people who continually threaten to destroy you develop the capacity to nuke one your major cities. That would just be stupid.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Can North Korea even emit greenhouse gases? Don't they need at least nineteenth century technology to do that?
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They have coal, and it gets cold in the winter, so I assume there are at least some emissions. But yeah, satellite pics show not much electricity generation.
 
The family has refused an autopsy, so unless the DPRK suddenly opens up*, the cause of his death will remain a mystery.


* This is unlikely.
 
Fudbucker said:
I'll have to remember the Mt. Everest analogy next time a woman gets raped at a frat party.
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What does a frat house have to do with North Korea? Is a frat house an oppressive dictatorial sovereign state that has a well published history of human rights abuses, imprisoning and executing people for minor stupid charges and is know for spewing hate filled BS against the countries of the people who for some reason still decide to visit?

Cause if so then yes, she is dumb for visiting, and likely a bit of a dick. Because by visiting she is supporting the evil ****head who runs the joint.
 
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my 2 cents:
Most likely scenario: North Korea has made it an industry to ransom foreigners back to their governments. Warmbier was going to go the same way after putting the Fear of the Dear Leader into him - but they messed up, bigly, causing probably some brain damage.
So they put him on ice and kept mum until it became clear that he would die in the coma in the foreseeable future. Not wanting him to die on North Korea soil, they shipped him back as quickly as possible.
I don't see this case as any kind of escalation - in fact it might make NK more cautious about how they treat foreigners in the future.
An actual military response would be a bad thing. But just what Trump is likely to do.
 
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