US Army to release kidnapped Australian.

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This story is just being released in australia. Mamdouh Habib, kidnapped in Pakistan transported to a US gulag and held without charge or trial is to be released.

It appears that the US army cannot figure out anything to charge him with as they have no evidence that is sufficient to support a charge... The Australian government has indicated he will not be charged with anything when he returns to Australia because they can't think of a law he has broken either.

Hopefully this shamefull episode is winding down to a conclusion...I want all you apologists that supported the detention of this man to go outside and wack yourselves on the arse with a stick while yelling "sorry Mamdouh".
 
The Fool said:
This story is just being released in australia. Mamdouh Habib, kidnapped in Pakistan transported to a US gulag and held without charge or trial is to be released.

It appears that the US army cannot figure out anything to charge him with as they have no evidence that is sufficient to support a charge... The Australian government has indicated he will not be charged with anything when he returns to Australia because they can't think of a law he has broken either.

Hopefully this shamefull episode is winding down to a conclusion...I want all you apologists that supported the detention of this man to go outside and wack yourselves on the arse with a stick while yelling "sorry Mamdouh".
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Forgoing everything else you said, I thought he was charged with something?
 
He was nearly charged with looking like he might be someone who could kinda be something remotely to do with Al Quaeda, or at least someone who looked like Al Quaeda. That is, he was "a random suspect", although of what has never been stated. And he was an Australian in Pakistan, so that was the ultimate proof - he was a traitor off to join the terrorists, obviously. :rolleyes:

So this Australian national with no evidence against him at all was put in the Gitmo cage "indefinitely". Hands up who thinks this was legal in any sense.

Incidentally, there's another Australian, same situation, still in the same gulag. So come on, Li'l Johnny! Get him out too, why don't you?!
 
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Grammatron said:
Forgoing everything else you said, I thought he was charged with something?
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IIRC, he was arrested in Pakistan for involvement in 9/11 and that's the charge he was held for in Guantanamo.

This is no saint, as he has a long history of contributing money and speaking out in support of Jihadists. Habib was most definitely a follower of Omar Abdul Rahman (The Blind Sheik, one of Osama's buddies).
 
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peptoabysmal said:
IIRC, he was arrested in Pakistan for involvement in 9/11 and that's the charge he was held for in Guantanamo.

This is no saint, as he has a long history of contributing money and speaking out in support of Jihadists. Habib was most definitely a follower of Omar Abdul Rahman (The Blind Sheik, one of Osama's buddies).
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I'll take your word for it, then.

Meanwhile, I presume we will be seeing arrests of white supremacists in the US in the near future.
 
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a_unique_person said:
I'll take your word for it, then.

Meanwhile, I presume we will be seeing arrests of white supremacists in the US in the near future.
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You make it sound like they are not arrested.
 
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peptoabysmal said:
IIRC, he was arrested in Pakistan for involvement in 9/11 and that's the charge he was held for in Guantanamo.

This is no saint, as he has a long history of contributing money and speaking out in support of Jihadists. Habib was most definitely a follower of Omar Abdul Rahman (The Blind Sheik, one of Osama's buddies).
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I suspect you are thinking of someone else.

http://prisonerswithouttrials.net/cases/Folder.2004-04-17.5039429079/Document.2004-04-17.5585093830

A 46 year-old Australian citizen; Mamdouh was arrested without charge while traveling on a bus heading to Karachi, Pakistan. He was transferred on May 4, 2002 to the notorious Camp X-Ray prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
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Care to provide a source for your claim of nefarious wrongdoings?
 
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Grammatron said:
You make it sound like they are not arrested.
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If we do see more arrests of white supremacists like the World Church of the Creator, Combat 18, Heritage Front, White Pride Coalition, in the future, it will be up to the governments of places like Denmark, Australia, Canada, et al. to make those arrests.

Using tools like RICO, the US authorities have made it very attractive for groups who engage in criminal racism to move to places more....'accepting'... of their viewpoints and behaviors.

"The same week Pierce spoke to the NPD congress in Germany, he also attended an international conference of white nationalists in Thessaloniki, Greece, which reportedly included racist leaders from Greece, Portugal, Romania, Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Germany, Austria and South Africa. Moreover, Pierce’s interest in building ties with the far right abroad goes beyond visits and exchanges of information: the group has attracted members from Great Britain, Holland, France, Germany, Scandanavia, South Africa, Russia, the Czech Republic and Canada. "
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/n_alliance.asp

"This is the story of a rural community where blacks live in fear of men in white robes. Welcome to Casino, the KKK capital of Australia...
Aborigines used to regard the Klan, the American white supremacist group, as a joke. There were enough racist nutters to worry about closer to home, and the Klan was just a group of bogeymen from Hollywood movies. But the Klan claims to have recruited thousands of members here in recent years, and Casino - also the site of Australia's largest abattoir - is reputed to be the location of a thriving "klavern," or cell."
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/news1/an010616-04.html
 
If you want to attack the racist nutters in Australia, feel free. John Howard has been pandering to them for all he is worth, and deserves a boot up the backside. If there is one thing a racist Australian like Howard hates, it's being called a racist.
 
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a_unique_person said:
The KKK is quite open and active. I don't see any members among the throng at Gitmo.
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You are right, but the circumstances are quite different. Non-citizens are treated differently in your country as well.

I could also be an a$$ and say how do you know there are no KKK members in Gitmo? :)
 
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crimresearch said:
If we do see more arrests of white supremacists like the World Church of the Creator, Combat 18, Heritage Front, White Pride Coalition, in the future, it will be up to the governments of places like Denmark, Australia, Canada, et al. to make those arrests.

"This is the story of a rural community where blacks live in fear of men in white robes. Welcome to Casino, the KKK capital of Australia...
Aborigines used to regard the Klan, the American white supremacist group, as a joke. There were enough racist nutters to worry about closer to home, and the Klan was just a group of bogeymen from Hollywood movies. But the Klan claims to have recruited thousands of members here in recent years, and Casino - also the site of Australia's largest abattoir - is reputed to be the location of a thriving "klavern," or cell."
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/news1/an010616-04.html
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I don't believe you are seriously going to believe this. You AREN'T serious, are you? This is from back in 2001, you do realise?

Australian aboriginals have had far worse problems to deal with historically and currently than the KKK, and are not averse to robust political activism these days. Frankly speaking, KKK sympathisers are much more likely to be the ones running scared, not the other way round.

The Australian "white supremacist" movement consists of less than a dozen kooks in various places across the country. So few that you would be hard placed to pick any one city or town as their "capital". A while ago, one of these kooks tried big-noting himself on national TV by strutting up and down the street in a pseudo-Nazi brown uniform, in an attempt to look mean. All he did was get stifled and even outright laughs. And he drove the other 10 or so members away with his silly antics. Think Kent Hovind zonked on speed with a swastika armband and you get the picture.

The political party One Nation has long since imploded, with its nitwit leader doing a stint in gaol, then spectacularly getting released. She has since failed spectacularly to be re-elected to any parliament, and has turned to ballroom dancing and women's mags to continue her bid for fame. Her party has disowned her, and her erstwhile cohorts have cast her off, choosing instead to conduct their own failed political careers.

If you do enough pick-and-mix among any large population, you can find enough people with "KKK sympathiser" attributes just about anywhere to make up a (non-existent) klaven. Not that these people are even aware the KKK exists, of course. But you know journalists - if the facts don't exist, invent them!
 
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Zep said:


Care to provide a source for your claim of nefarious wrongdoings?
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They can't. Apparently niether can the US Army, the CIA, The FBI or the Boy Scouts of America...But that won't stop the smoke, mirrors and hand waving that will be used to deflect any attempt to ask for simple answers to simple questions.

I have a some simple question if any of the apologists want to have a stab at it...
question 1. If there was sufficient evidence to call the grabbing of habib an "arrest" rather than a "kidnap" where is that evidence now?
question 2. Why has it taken years to come to the conclusion that there is no evidence to support a single charge?

question 3. If Habib was arrested for being involved in 911 why was he handed over to Egypt before being sent to a gulag?

question 4. Why could this not happen to me or any other poster here tomorrow? Habib and I have a lot in common...niether of us have been charged with any crime or had any evidence of wrongdoing produced....none, zip, Nada....

question 5. Is this the sort of behavior that America points at when it is calling other regimes evil?
 
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Grammatron said:
You are right, but the circumstances are quite different. Non-citizens are treated differently in your country as well.

I could also be an a$$ and say how do you know there are no KKK members in Gitmo? :)
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I can't recall the last time Australia kidnapped an American from the streets of Pakistan, and kept him in various locations, tortured him, then set him free after three years saying he can't actually be charged with anything, but, trust us, he disagrees with what we think.
 
a_unique_person said:
Now I could be completely wrong about Habib, but no-one has offered one piece of evidence that he has actually done something criminal. And, if he had, I would expect him to be charged and sent to trial.
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What he said. And Fool too.

It's the skeptic's question: Show us the evidence.
 
Zep said:
What he said. And Fool too.

It's the skeptic's question: Show us the evidence.
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I guess we'll have to wait till he turns up with a rocket launcher in Iraq, or perhaps with a dirty bomb in Australia. Of course I could be wrong....but thanks to the lawyers and pols we will get to find out.

That Howard was not keen to see this particular "citizen" repatriated is not really that surprising....That AUP and Fool want him walking their streets is interesting. Let me ask you guys this; If he ends up killing your wife or kid will the grief you feel cause you to re-think your political stand?

As an American I feel rather ambivalent about this release. If he's really just a "guy kidnapped from a bus" in Pakistan then why waste so much time and resource on him? Perhaps they made a mistake...but if I was a betting man I'd say that there were likely several good reasons to think him a bad guy. After all, in the "Green River Killer" case the police had a good lot of purely circumstantial evidence against Gary Ridgeway back in 1987...yet they had to wait till 2001 for solid DNA evidence to convict him. In that span of 14 years he took many more victims.

An international terrorist is alot more dangerous than one serial killer. Letting Habib walk free will very likely cost lives. I do wonder how all you champions of rights for terrorists can look in a mirror or sleep at night. Already several lives have been lost to ex-Gitmo detainees who have returned to the jihad. Do those people somehow not count?

-z
 
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