Up To 50 Wounded As Heavily-Armed Man "Opens Fire" In German Cinema Complex
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Wrong. Self-defense is a valid reason (§19 WaffG).
According to this there are ~6 million firearms privately owned by about 1 million citizens. Is that a marginal phenomenon?
sarge
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Wait, what?
Are you saying that if self defense does not entitle a person to own a firearm, then essentially firearm ownership is illegal? Surely I missunderstood you.
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Good afternoon Segnosaur.
So long as only the perp. Was killed, I want to know as well.
That's exactly what my sister asked when I mentioned this new story.
So long as only the perp. Was killed, I want to know as well.
Rincewind
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Well, the population is 80+ million - is 1/80 marginal?
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Fake gun, apparently.
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Ya know, that very thought crossed my mind when I first looked at the story; replica or airsoft, something along those lines.
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It is possible but it is rather hard to justify. Try it as a private citizen without real threat or cause and good luck to you.
Most of those 6 million is actually hunting and sport weapons.
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LTC8K6
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You gotta' love the media these days...
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What would the other ones be?
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If you want a gun here in Germany you need to undergo training, prove that you have the adequate storage facility and are a member of a shooting or hunting club. Then you can easily buy a semi-auto assault rifle (with a 10 round magazine) or any kind of handgun.
Roger Ramjets
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But ordinary citizens aren't allowed to buy one for self defense? Without the protective power of a handgun or assault rifle at hand, those poor Germans must be living in constant fear!
This is the program for today. The first call to police reportedly happened at 14:45.
Movies around that time:
Me Before You 15:00
Minuscule - La Vallée des Fourmis perdues 15:00
Central Intelligence 14:45
Atrapa la Bandera 14:45
Alice Through The Looking Glass 14:30
Jungle Book, The 14:30
Zootopia 14:30
Angry Birds Movie, The 14:30
LTC8K6
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But you don't need assault rifles or handguns or high-cap magazines to hunt or to play shooting games.
You can hunt perfectly well with a single shot rifle, or a bolt action rifle with a 3 round magazine. Single shot shotgun or double barrel for bird hunting is fine.
You can participate in shooting contests with these guns as well.
Single shot pistols are ideal for target shooting.
I am almost always told by gun control advocates that I don't need my shooting hobby at all, so I don't need any gun rights.
Dr.Sid
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I meant that it's almost as if it was illegal. Because you wont get handgun license for hunting purposes, no idea how sport license works. But here in Czech Republic sporting purpose means you can't carry it loaded.
So normal handgun, for normal person, for every day carry, in Germany - illegal, no such option in law.
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blutoski
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Same in Canada. "Self Defense" is not an ownership option. You can obtain firearms for hunting, collection, sport, instruction, or some other occupation-specific reasons (soldier, law enforcement officer, firearms repairman).
Self defense wouldn't be very useful, since you can't carry them around loaded in public.
In Germany, hunters may own handguns. Never heard of any problems with that.
If by normal person you mean someone untrained and with no particular reason to carry then they won't get a license indeed.
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Not only are firearms legal in Germany, what is legal to possess for licensed hunters in Germany (the last time I checked) is bizarre in a couple of ways.
First, because of a criminal act with a pump action shotgun, pump action shotguns are only available by permit to licensed hunters, while these types of shotguns are currently available OTC at any U.S. FFL dealer.
What would be considered short barreled rifles (HK MP5's in semi-auto configuration, AR Platform M4's or shorter variants) under the U.S. National Firearms Act and subject to very strict ownership requirements here are available to German licensed hunters w/o much fanfare, even though the hunting laws in Germany limit semi-auto's in the field to a 2 round magazine capacity.
As an aside, at one point I became aware that the German manufacturer HK was selling completed receivers for their discontinued G 3, G 33 and Mp5 platforms in the original full auto configuration in Germany, w/o restrictions for export sales. This is the functional equivalent of Colt or FN running off M16 receivers and selling them w/o paperwork to export customers. As I determined at the time, these sales were legal under then German law - things might be different now, but back then this was a legit sale.
In HK's defense their platform still required the front trunnion to be properly installed in the receiver in order for it to go "live," but as properly forming the sheet metal receiver is the most difficult part of the manufacturing process these receivers were more live than not.
My investigation into the situation brought me into contact with a few cool folks that I wouldn't otherwise have met, so that was a win as far as I'm concerned, but the sale of those receivers still ranks as one of the strangest example of legal firearms sales I've encountered.
sarge
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Not allowed to carry around in public is not even close to the same thing as illegal.
Gun laws exist on a spectrum, with "illegal" at one end and "no rules at all" at the other. A country with 6 million private firearms in the hands of 1 million citizens can not be reasonably described as having outlawed guns. The notion is silly.