Unlicensed engineers and architects

[rwguinn]

Hey. Like, man, engineers use computers to, like, find out about stuff, man!
(pass the Cheetos, dude)

 

[Newtons Bit]

And beyond that, what relevance computer engineering is to structural engineering.
Having 'done' civil engineering at Uni I suppose I should be able to weigh in on those hefty debates. However, ask me to design you a motorway and I'll be fine, ask me to design a simple portal frame and I'll be in the corner, curled up in the foetal position, sobbing.

Fortunately, no one designs those by hand anymore

 

[dropzone]

In 1979 Design News ran a survey of the engineers in the US and found that, of the guys (they were almost all men back then) working as real-life engineers, something like 6% hadn't even graduated high school. In the even-older days the training was as much an apprenticeship as a formal education.

 

[Newtons Bit]

In 1979 Design News ran a survey of the engineers in the US and found that, of the guys (they were almost all men back then) working as real-life engineers, something like 6% hadn't even graduated high school. In the even-older days the training was as much an apprenticeship as a formal education.

That's because it was more rules-of-thumb based than mathematics based. I know some engineers today who use said rules to design rather than breaking out a calculator.

 

[rwguinn]

One of the best engineers I ever knew never got a degree. He was my boss when I was at NASA in the 1970's, and had a grasp of reality unprecedented within that organization D my favorite unofficial NASA attribute" If you insist on remaining commited to reality, you'll never get anything done" --a senior engineer with JPL who will forever remain anonymous, at least by me...)

 

[dropzone]

That's because it was more rules-of-thumb based than mathematics based. I know some engineers today who use said rules to design rather than breaking out a calculator.

Heard an engineer who helped design the fuselage of the X-15 on the advantage of using rather inaccurate, er, approximate slide rules: "If we had a computer we'd still be perfecting that cross section."

 

[patchbunny]

And beyond that, what relevance computer engineering is to structural engineering.
Having 'done' civil engineering at Uni I suppose I should be able to weigh in on those hefty debates. However, ask me to design you a motorway and I'll be fine, ask me to design a simple portal frame and I'll be in the corner, curled up in the foetal position, sobbing.

Friend!

 

[Thunder]

I love how A&E911T includes Landscape Architects.

as if such people understand anything about 110 story skyscrapers.

 

[BCR]

How common is it for people to get such degrees and work as architects or engineers for large companies but never get a license? The claims of being consultants seems very questionable to me,but then what do I know?

I don't recall any of the Chem E's or EE's at my old firm (DPI) having any kind of license. Many had certifications from professional organizations (mine was as a quality engineer with ASQ), but then again we did not have any architects working for us.

 

[Telltale Tom]

I love how A&E911T includes Landscape Architects.

as if such people understand anything about 110 story skyscrapers.

We include anyone with architecture in the name, and anything with engineering in its name, so that includes electical, mechanical, geotechnical, civil engineers. we do not mind if people are qualified or not, as long as they have a degree in anything with engineering from any university in the world. But we do have a checking process.

We are not trying to say that these people have any expertiese in tall buildings, but we are just saying that they are architects and engineers, just like in our name: ae911truth.



Our petition is

 

[AZCat]

I don't recall any of the Chem E's or EE's at my old firm (DPI) having any kind of license. Many had certifications from professional organizations (mine was as a quality engineer with ASQ), but then again we did not have any architects working for us.

Some of the chemical engineers at my work have licenses, but it's much more typical for mechanical, electrical, structural and civil engineers to get them because states usually require construction drawings be stamped by a registrant.

 

[BCR]

Some of the chemical engineers at my work have licenses, but it's much more typical for mechanical, electrical, structural and civil engineers to get them because states usually require construction drawings be stamped by a registrant.

I would think it is more common in the construction trades. Nobody ever required a license to make a semiconductor. I guess it depends upon the sector a person works in.

 

[AZCat]

I would think it is more common in the construction trades. Nobody ever required a license to make a semiconductor. I guess it depends upon the sector a person works in.

Yeah, that's what I've heard. I've only worked in building design, but I have friends from school that are in microchips or aerospace and PEs are far more rare in those fields, even for mechanicals.

 

[Thunder]

we do not mind if people are qualified or not,

oh, that is very clear.

the fact that you would include Landscape Architects show that you would include anyone and everyone.

Landscape Architecture..has NOTHING to do with structures, buildings, etc.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

oh, that is very clear.

the fact that you would include Landscape Architects show that you would include anyone and everyone.

Landscape Architecture..has NOTHING to do with structures, buildings, etc.

I'll have you know that I personally built a very nice flower bed using railroad ties and foot long spikes. Then I put together a shed. I finished off with a nice white wooden picket fence...

 

[Lenbrazil]

We include anyone with architecture in the name, and anything with engineering in its name, so that includes electical, mechanical, geotechnical, civil engineers. we do not mind if people are qualified or not, as long as they have a degree in anything with engineering from any university in the world. But we do have a checking process.

We are not trying to say that these people have any expertiese in tall buildings, but we are just saying that they are architects and engineers, just like in our name: ae911truth.



Our petition is

TT is pretty obviously pulling our legs,I doubt he is even a truther.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I would think it is more common in the construction trades. Nobody ever required a license to make a semiconductor.

Which seems perfectly reasonable, for several reasons. One is that semiconductor products are amenable to reliability testing because they're manufactured by the thousand or the million, all identical, so we can stress significant numbers of them and see how they fail. Buildings are generally one-offs, or at best few-offs, and the cost of destructive testing is prohibitive, so the only guarantee of safety is the expertise of the design team.

Dave