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Undocumented students find new voice

Tony

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/12/01/undocumented.students.ap/index.html ...full article


(AP) -- Her parents rarely talk about how they sold everything and slipped across the U.S. border one cold October years ago, and Yesenia Sanchez remembers little of the journey that started with a long bus ride from central Mexico when she was 8.

Growing up in Chicago, she embraced American life -- making friends, joining after-school clubs, watching sitcoms on TV. But when she turned 16 and couldn't get a driver's license, the meaning of her illegal status began to sink in.

Now 20, attending a community college and hoping to earn a degree in international studies, Sanchez worries she won't find a job when she graduates because she doesn't have a Social Security number.
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This just goes to show that social "security" does more to hinder freedom than it does to help.
 
Tony said:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/12/01/undocumented.students.ap/index.html ...full article
(AP) -- Her parents rarely talk about how they sold everything and slipped across the U.S. border one cold October years ago, and Yesenia Sanchez remembers little of the journey that started with a long bus ride from central Mexico when she was 8.

Growing up in Chicago, she embraced American life -- making friends, joining after-school clubs, watching sitcoms on TV. But when she turned 16 and couldn't get a driver's license, the meaning of her illegal status began to sink in.

Now 20, attending a community college and hoping to earn a degree in international studies, Sanchez worries she won't find a job when she graduates because she doesn't have a Social Security number.
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This just goes to show that social "security" does more to hinder freedom than it does to help.
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You can't be this much of an idiot. What's the joke? I don't get it.
 
help me out here. ARe you against the social security program, or agianst SS#'s as a form of identification. Either way I thought youd be happy with this story because an illegal is having a hard time getting into the system.

And why doesnt she just make up a SS#. Isnt that what usually happens.
 
Tmy said:
help me out here. ARe you against the social security program, or agianst SS#'s as a form of identification.
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Both. The fact that SS has turned into a necessity to get a job should frighten everyone who believes in a free society.


Either way I thought youd be happy with this story because an illegal is having a hard time getting into the system.

Huh? I think you are reading your own racism into me.
 
NO, I guess Im reading my regionism into you. You texans are allways big on sealing the boarders n stuff.
 
Tmy said:
You texans are allways big on sealing the boarders n stuff.
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That must be why there are hardly any Mexicans or hispanics in Texas. :rolleyes:
 
Tony said:
Both. The fact that SS has turned into a necessity to get a job should frighten everyone who believes in a free society.
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As far as I know, employers who want a Social Security number ask for it on their own, not because it's required by the government. They are free to do so, and you are free to refuse. Sounds like a "free society" to me.

I don't get the problem. All it means is that many people recognize Social Security numbers as a convenient substitute for finding out a person's legal status the hard way. They should probably check more carefully, but people are lazy in ten thousand different ways.

In this case, it looks like the system is working fine. Someone who is here illegally is finding that she cannot take advantage of services that citizens' tax dollars pay for, or work for companies who want legal employees. Sounds good to me.

Jeremy
 
Well its you soutwestern stateis that are always bitching and moaning about illegals.
 
Tmy said:
NO, I guess Im reading my regionism into you. You texans are allways big on sealing the boarders n stuff.
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Well its you soutwestern stateis that are always bitching and moaning about illegals.
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Speaking of overgeneralizations. :rolleyes:

California complains a lot. Arizona, a little. New Mexico? Texas? Not really. When he was Gov. and Cali was pushing through a bunch of anti-immigrant legislation, Bush said that Texas would never do the same because Texans didn't feel the same way toward immigrants. One of the few positive things about his governorship, in my opinion.
 
toddjh said:
As far as I know, employers who want a Social Security number ask for it on their own, not because it's required by the government. They are free to do so, and you are free to refuse. Sounds like a "free society" to me.
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It is illegal to employ a person who does not have work authorization in the form of a SS# or equivilant (i.e. green card). Employers are required to ask.
 
Michael Redman said:

Speaking of overgeneralizations. :rolleyes:
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Hey, I always have to put up with "liberal Massachusetts".

(Our last 4 govenors were Republicans ya know.)
 
Michael Redman said:
It is illegal to employ a person who does not have work authorization in the form of a SS# or equivilant (i.e. green card). Employers are required to ask.
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They need verification that the person's legal status allows them to work, but it doesn't have to be the Social Security number. Some citizens don't even have a Social Security number.

I still don't understand why anyone's surprised by the fact that people who are here illegally aren't allowed to work.

Jeremy
 
toddjh said:
They need verification that the person's legal status allows them to work, but it doesn't have to be the Social Security number.
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If you work in the US, you need a SS#, and you need to give it to your employer. The employer doesn't need to use it to verify your work authorization if you have proper documents (like a passport) showing your authorization, but they need to report it with your earnings anyway, so it makes sense to use it for both purposes. Whether you prove your authorization with a SS card or a passport, you can't work without giving your SS# to your employer.
 
Michael Redman said:
If you work in the US, you need a SS#, and you need to give it to your employer. The employer doesn't need to use it to verify your work authorization if you have proper documents (like a passport) showing your authorization, but they need to report it with your earnings anyway, so it makes sense to use it for both purposes. Whether you prove your authorization with a SS card or a passport, you can't work without giving your SS# to your employer.
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Well, I draw a line between requiring the Social Security number for tax purposes and requiring it to verify legal status. I guess I just don't understand the big deal. A Social Security number is an identifier that everybody has. It's just like a name, only easier to keep track of.

And I still fail to see the injustice here. Someone who is not here legally should not receive the same benefits as someone who is. It still seems to me as though the system is working.

Jeremy
 
I'm not arguing that there's an injustice, just that you can't refuse to give your employer your SS#, which is what I understood you to be saying. It doen't matter what they want it for. They get it, or you don't work.

That said, I don't think this is a bad thing, or that illegal aliens should be able to work.

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On the other hand, I certainly think that this woman should be given citizenship if she wants it. Just because she entered illegally as a small child in her parent's custody and control shouldn't put her in the same boat as someone who willingly sneaks in as an adult. Additionally, she seems to be proving herself a productive and socially well adjusted individual. Give her a green card, at least.

But the issue doesn't seem to be her getting status, but rather her working while remainnig an illegal immigrant. In that respect, she loses.
 
First of all, I would think that the woman in question could obtain US citizenship since she has been here so long and she was brought in at a time when she could not do anything about it due to the fact that she was a child at the time. I am thinking that there already is a program for making such individuals citizens, but I could be wrong.

Second, even if she cannot become a US citizen, I would think that she could at least get a 'Green Card' that would allow her to work in the USA since she knows the language, culture, and would have marketable job skills.

Third, if push came to shove and she had to back to Mexico, then I expect that such a person could find work there.
 
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