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Understanding the Liberal Mindset

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Liberal Progressives (Lib-Progs) consider themselves as the bastions of Social Justice. They claim to believe in each individual's right to an autonomous, self-directed life, free from restrictions. They claim to believe in freedom of speech, arguing that is it an important part of challenging existing ideas and finding truth. Lib-Progs have an absoluteness about their mindset. They are utterly convinced they are always the good guys, that they are the final arbiter of right and wrong, and that anyone who doesn't think the way they do are the bad guys. They are also utterly convinced that they, and only they, know what's best for society. They operate on the basis of the "victim v oppressor framework" which views social dynamics via a sort of "binary" consisting of the powerful groups (the oppressors) versus the marginalized groups (the victims). In the Lib-Prog world, everyone but them is either one or the other - everyone is either a victim or an oppressor, and the Lib-Progs are here equalize everyone and make everything alright. They are fantasists, the ultimate expression of idealism. These are indeed lofty ideals, but sadly, the reality of the Liberal Progressive mindset is somewhat different from their stated ideals.

Their claim to believe in each individual's rights falls flat when it comes to any right that doesn't comport their mindset.
Their claim to believe in free speech only applies to speech they like. Speech they don't like must be restricted, and its speaker punished.

There is nothing that demonstrates how the Lib-Prog mindset works (and exposes its deep flaws) better than their relationship with Israel and the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank. British Commentator Melanie Phillips currently writes on social issues for The Times and The Jerusalem Post from a socially conservative perspective.

(Lib-Progs will dutifully obey their echo-chambers and dismiss her as a far-right racist without ever reading anything she has written or hearing anything she has to say)

There is a transcript below the link for those who are allergic to YouTube videos.


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The Western liberal mind conceives of itself as being good because it's Liberal. The Western liberal tells him or herself "I'm a good person because I'm Liberal - I'm Liberal because I'm a good person" which means that I believe in things like the Brotherhood of Man,
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"Liberal" is very broad. I'd be called a liberal 40 years ago. Probably not anymore. But the far-left has always hated the West and allied itself with groups and ideologies that also hate the West. Israel is a proxy for the West. So any group that opposes the West will be sacralized by the far-left, and their behavior excused no matter how atrocious.
 
Norman Alexander said:
That's a lot of words. Do they pay you by the sentence? Because I stopped reading after the first one.
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Jesus H. Christ Norman. My part of the post was just over a dozen lines. If you'd bothered reading more than just a few of them you would have found that the whole post BELOW the video was a transcript of the video, which I only put there for the benefit of the chronically video averse among us.
 
Trausti said:
"Liberal" is very broad. I'd be called a liberal 40 years ago. Probably not anymore. But the far-left has always hated the West and allied itself with groups and ideologies that also hate the West. Israel is a proxy for the West. So any group that opposes the West will be sacralized by the far-left, and their behavior excused no matter how atrocious.
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Far left and liberal are not the same politically. That's why in the UK the liberal party has been able to form in effect coalition governments with both left and right parties.

Traditionally on the economic side liberals will find commonalities with the right, on individual rights they will find commonalities with the left. (That doesn't make them centralists.)
 
smartcooky said:
Jesus H. Christ Norman. My part of the post was just over a dozen lines. If you'd bothered reading more than just a few of them you would have found that the whole post BELOW the video was a transcript of the video, which I only put there for the benefit of the chronically video averse among us.
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Yeah, like I said, I stopped after the first one because it is false. Not much point from there.
 
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Yeah, putting a chunk.of the political spectrum in black and white kind of ignores all the individuals that possibly are included. No group is that cohesive in thought and plan.
I did read it.
 
smartcooky said:
Liberal Progressives (Lib-Progs) consider themselves as the bastions of Social Justice. They claim to believe in each individual's right to an autonomous, self-directed life, free from restrictions. They claim to believe in freedom of speech, arguing that is it an important part of challenging existing ideas and finding truth. Lib-Progs have an absoluteness about their mindset. They are utterly convinced they are always the good guys, that they are the final arbiter of right and wrong, and that anyone who doesn't think the way they do are the bad guys. They are also utterly convinced that they, and only they, know what's best for society. They operate on the basis of the "victim v oppressor framework" which views social dynamics via a sort of "binary" consisting of the powerful groups (the oppressors) versus the marginalized groups (the victims). In the Lib-Prog world, everyone but them is either one or the other - everyone is either a victim or an oppressor, and the Lib-Progs are here equalize everyone and make everything alright. They are fantasists, the ultimate expression of idealism. These are indeed lofty ideals, but sadly, the reality of the Liberal Progressive mindset is somewhat different from their stated ideals.

Their claim to believe in each individual's rights falls flat when it comes to any right that doesn't comport their mindset.
Their claim to believe in free speech only applies to speech they like. Speech they don't like must be restricted, and its speaker punished.

There is nothing that demonstrates how the Lib-Prog mindset works (and exposes its deep flaws) better than their relationship with Israel and the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank. British Commentator Melanie Phillips currently writes on social issues for The Times and The Jerusalem Post from a socially conservative perspective.

(Lib-Progs will dutifully obey their echo-chambers and dismiss her as a far-right racist without ever reading anything she has written or hearing anything she has to say)

There is a transcript below the link for those who are allergic to YouTube videos.


TRANSCRIPT​
The Western liberal mind conceives of itself as being good because it's Liberal. The Western liberal tells him or herself "I'm a good person because I'm Liberal - I'm Liberal because I'm a good person" which means that I believe in things like the Brotherhood of Man,
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snipped for rule 4
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Isn't it great when someone posts a ridiculous strawman pulled out of their ass? Especially when they use vague generalizations.

I'm a Liberal. I'm a progressive. I'm also a conservative. A capitalist and a socialist. If that all sounds contradictory, it generally is. But aye there's the rub. General terms are nonsensical.

This rant paints with a broad brush and then argues that it applies to specific nuanced issues. The Middle East and Israel is a cluster ◊◊◊◊. And it has been all of my life. As well as all of my father's life. And it starts with the parties of God. The batcrap crazy Muslims fighting for their stupid moronic prophet. Then you have the insane American preachers using all their political might helping the Jews steal as much of Muslim's land so they can bring on the second coming.

Here's what the great Christopher Hitchens had to say about Israel and Zionism.
Was Hitchens a liberal? Yes. He described himself as one. But he also criticized Clinton, supported George W. Bush and the Iraq War.

Nothing is more absurd and dishonest than arguing as Smartcooky is in his post. But hey don't let that get in your way. Right?
 
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Cooky's post is remarkably, examples of four different fallacies at the same time. Give him credit as it is hard to whiff four times at one pitch.

My logic professor would love this.
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One, it is a strawman.
Two, it is filled with non-sequitors.
Three, it applies the general to the specific.
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Four, applies the specific to the general.
 
Olmstead said:
I'm a liberal progressive because I can feel compassion for the victims on both sides of the conflict, but you can probably come up with a smart-alecky essay on that attitude as well.
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I'm a liberal progressive because I believe in the universality of human rights regardless of nationality, religion, gender, sexuality, income, colour of skin, language, or politics.
 
I'm a Liberal Progressive because I have compassion for others. And I understand that our starting position in the rat race that is life is different for us all. I believe in John Rawls philosophy.
 
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