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Understanding the Liberal Mindset

johnny karate said:
The only thing less convincing than arguing a conspiracy theory is arguing a theoretical version of a conspiracy theory.
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Not only that but the premise of the conspiracy theory is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid on its face. He asks, "Would you believe the charges?" to which the easy answer is, "I would look at the evidence". I mean, right? The evidence was overwhelming for the charges that were brought. If there's a problem with the evidence then point it out, but the assault in the changing room wasn't criminal, it was civil. I don't even think Trump bothered showing up for the bulk of the trial and his rock solid defense was, "She's not my type". Which isn't exactly convincing considering Trump has an established history of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ anything that makes eye contact with him.
 
plague311 said:
Not only that but the premise of the conspiracy theory is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid on its face. He asks, "Would you believe the charges?" to which the easy answer is, "I would look at the evidence". I mean, right? The evidence was overwhelming for the charges that were brought. If there's a problem with the evidence then point it out, but the assault in the changing room wasn't criminal, it was civil. I don't even think Trump bothered showing up for the bulk of the trial and his rock solid defense was, "She's not my type". Which isn't exactly convincing considering Trump has an established history of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ anything that makes eye contact with him.
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I'd like one of these "political witch hunt" conspiracy theorists to explain how they think a legitimate prosecution would look different from what took place.
 
acbytesla said:
He was in good mental health in 2020. And I'm sure it declined somewhat in the following years.
But Biden chose not to run again. Can you imagine the maroon moron doing that?
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When did Biden choose not to run again? At the last minute, after every notable democrat and George Clooney made it clear he had to leave. Its like saying Nixon chose to resign. Technically true.
 
plague311 said:
Not only that but the premise of the conspiracy theory is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid on its face. He asks, "Would you believe the charges?" to which the easy answer is, "I would look at the evidence". I mean, right? The evidence was overwhelming for the charges that were brought. If there's a problem with the evidence then point it out, but the assault in the changing room wasn't criminal, it was civil. I don't even think Trump bothered showing up for the bulk of the trial and his rock solid defense was, "She's not my type". Which isn't exactly convincing considering Trump has an established history of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ anything that makes eye contact with him.
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Actually, there wasn't a civil charge of rape or even sexual assault. Trump was sued twice for defamation for calling his victim a liar. He was found by a jury to have defamed her in the first trial. She had to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that Trump sexually assaulted her in a Bloomingdales dressing room. The evidence she presented was scant. But enough. Her testimony and the testimony of confidants she told at the time. As well as the famous Access Hollywood tape where he said, "if you're a celebrity you can just grab a woman by the pussy," without consent.
Trump and his lawyers didn't mount a defense. Trump did not testify. So when he defamed her again in exactly the same way, the judge made a summary judgement as was appropriate.
 
plague311 said:
Not only that but the premise of the conspiracy theory is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid on its face. He asks, "Would you believe the charges?" to which the easy answer is, "I would look at the evidence". I mean, right? The evidence was overwhelming for the charges that were brought. If there's a problem with the evidence then point it out, but the assault in the changing room wasn't criminal, it was civil. I don't even think Trump bothered showing up for the bulk of the trial and his rock solid defense was, "She's not my type". Which isn't exactly convincing considering Trump has an established history of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ anything that makes eye contact with him.
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and i recall from that particular case i believe he looked at a photo of her and confused her with his ex wife. which, one would assume, is his type
 
ahhell said:
When did Biden choose not to run again? At the last minute, after every notable democrat and George Clooney made it clear he had to leave. Its like saying Nixon chose to resign. Technically true.
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Nonsense. Nixon was going to be impeached and convicted. George Clooney is not a government or even a Democratic Party official. You can argue he was persuasive. But inevitably it was Biden's choice.
 
acbytesla said:
Actually, there wasn't a civil charge of rape or even sexual assault.
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Right, but the sexual assault\rape was the crux of the case. As you mention Trump was accused of defamation because he called her a liar about the rape, and the judge distinctly commented on the sexual assault.
acbytesla said:
Trump and his lawyers didn't mount a defense. Trump did not testify. So when he defamed her again in exactly the same way, the judge made a summary judgement as was appropriate.
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Correct. He just told the media ad nauseum that she wasn't his type.
 
acbytesla said:
That's not bigotry. I'm white. An Irish American born in Iowa. I understand the advantages I was born with. And I understand the disadvantages African Americans face from law enforcement, bankers and the education system. I understand that women face discrimination as well. I worked in the tech industry for 30 years and it didn't escape me how few people of color are hired in my industry.

I find it amusing that those born with all the advantages of being white in a white dominated society whine as if they are getting a raw deal. I'll take being a white male in America to any alternative.
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This may be the key to understanding the progressive mind set. Its ok to make sweeping generalizations about the majority of Americans because they look like the people that have been in charge for most of US history but not about folks on the left. They're diverse with diverse experiences an beliefs, not white people though.
 
ahhell said:
This may be the key to understanding the progressive mind set. Its ok to make sweeping generalizations about the majority of Americans because they look like the people that have been in charge for most of US history but not about folks on the left. They're diverse with diverse experiences an beliefs, not white people though.
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Absolute nonsense.
I didn't say they weren't diverse. I didn't make any generalization about the majority of Americans either. You're standing up a strawman and then knocking it down.

Yes there are some African Americans that are privileged and haven't been discriminated against much. But let's not pretend that White America hadn't created systematic barriers that obstructed people of color from prospering. And that those barriers only began to be knocked down in the 1950s. And some of those barriers still exist today.
 
plague311 said:
Right, but the sexual assault\rape was the crux of the case. As you mention Trump was accused of defamation because he called her a liar about the rape, and the judge distinctly commented on the sexual assault.


Correct. He just told the media ad nauseum that she wasn't his type.
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She was a liar. She wasn't his type. :LOL: Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. I forgot to include him mistaking the victim for his wife in my summary. That was a telling moment in the trial.
 
acbytesla said:
Absolute nonsense.
I didn't say they weren't diverse. I didn't make any generalization about the majority of Americans either. You're standing up a strawman and then knocking it down.

Yes there are some African Americans that are privileged and haven't been discriminated against much. But let's not pretend that
White America hadn't created systematic barriers that obstructed people of color from prospering. And that those barriers only began to be knocked down in the 1950s. And some of those barriers still exist today.
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The notion of white privilege is a broad generalization though. The way progressive discuss (for the most part) it's as though white people have the same privilege. As though Anderson Cooper and the average Appalachian have more in common than Anderson Cooper and Nicole Hanah Jones.

Edit: forgot the highlighted bit, as though all of white america created those systems and that those systems had no impact on a large group of white americans.

Redlining* is a great example. 85% of the people in red lined districts were white. the way progressive talk about white privilege, those folks are responsible for redlining's impacts on black americans.

*It did disproportionately impact Black Americans as those neighborhoods were where most Black Americans lived even if they were outnumbered by the whites that lived there.

Redlining is another great insight into the progressive mindset. Progressives like to talk about it as though it were a function of free markets. The generally ignore the fact that it largely instigated by government agencies when they started underwriting loans.
 
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ahhell said:
The notion of white privilege is a broad generalization though. The way progressive discuss (for the most part) it's as though white people have the same privilege. As though Anderson Cooper and the average Appalachian have more in common than Anderson Cooper and Nicole Hanah Jones.

Edit: forgot the highlighted bit, as though all of white america created those systems and that those systems had no impact on a large group of white americans.

Redlining* is a great example. 85% of the people in red lined districts were white. the way progressive talk about white privilege, those folks are responsible for redlining's impacts on black americans.

*It did disproportionately impact Black Americans as those neighborhoods were where most Black Americans lived even if they were outnumbered by the whites that lived there.

Redlining is another great insight into the progressive mindset. Progressives like to talk about it as though it were a function of free markets. The generally ignore the fact that it largely instigated by government agencies when they started underwriting loans.
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You can argue that but not persuasively.
 
ahhell said:
This may be the key to understanding the progressive mind set. Its ok to make sweeping generalizations about the majority of Americans because they look like the people that have been in charge for most of US history but not about folks on the left. They're diverse with diverse experiences an beliefs, not white people though.
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You can argue that but not persuasively.
 
Sure, I can't persuade progressives that they make sweeping generalizations of people-based skin tone, most non-progressives see it through.

Also, seriously the notion that Biden chose not to run again is....IDK. He dropped out after running for office for over year, after a catastrophic failure in a debate, after the power players in the Democratic party went to him and explained that he adds to or he would loose. Much like resigning after your boss asked you to, is voluntary.

ETA: Glad I amuse you though. Another great insight into the progressive mindset.
 
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ahhell said:
The notion of white privilege is a broad generalization though. The way progressive discuss (for the most part) it's as though white people have the same privilege. As though Anderson Cooper and the average Appalachian have more in common than Anderson Cooper and Nicole Hanah Jones.

Edit: forgot the highlighted bit, as though all of white america created those systems and that those systems had no impact on a large group of white americans.

Redlining* is a great example. 85% of the people in red lined districts were white. the way progressive talk about white privilege, those folks are responsible for redlining's impacts on black americans.

*It did disproportionately impact Black Americans as those neighborhoods were where most Black Americans lived even if they were outnumbered by the whites that lived there.

Redlining is another great insight into the progressive mindset. Progressives like to talk about it as though it were a function of free markets. The generally ignore the fact that it largely instigated by government agencies when they started underwriting loans.
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I never said redlining was a function of free markets. And what difference does it make that the barriers were created by the government or the markets? In any case they were there. And they kept people of color from getting mortgages in the neighborhoods they lived in.

I tended bar in an exclusive club that didn't have a member of color until the 1980s. My father's home had a covenant that prohibited the home from being owned by a person of color. And this was in liberal Seattle.
 
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