How do those levels compare with White employment?
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How do those levels compare with White employment?
Thermal
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Was the families one the one where he says most black children live in single parent homes because conditions were similar under slavery? Cuz I wasn't buying that.
theprestige
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Sounds Lamarckian. Slavery has evolved us out of understanding how nuclear families work. Except for the savants among us, who understand enough to know what we've lost, but don't understand enough to help us restore it.
Mumbles
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Regardless, the video host said outright that he doen't like riots.
But.
If you repeatedly and pointedly ignore or encourage people that, again and again, shout about their urgent issues, with increased frequency and anger, sooner or later you'll end up with a riot.
It's not a surprise that almost every riot in recent memory has been sparked by the exact same thing that sparked them in the days of MLK Jr. - namely, an out of control police force that's openly violent and disrespectful, people that at best live paycheck to paycheck (again, "I've got a job!" isn't enough here), and when people finally protest, authorities scream and inflict mass violence - often on people who were at most just marching down the street, or who weren't even doing that.
(Meanwhile, how many MAGAts have we seen acting out for no real reason at all? Screaming at poll workers, waving their expensive new guns because they hate face masks, blocking highways, and so on? And that's *before* we get into the cases of MAGAt police in heavy armor outright shooting people in the face with flashbangs, beating people they snatched out of cars, happily waving through white nationalists who, to return the favor, shoot and kill other cops, and the like).
I watched two so far, and...it's a somewhat different perspective on the same questions, giving answers I sometimes disagree with - my view on "black on black crime", for example, is that black communities discuss this all the time, and have for decades, and that this is often just a distraction from the subject which, for decades, has included reforming police so they stop acting like a violent street gang.
Yeah, that bit was a bit of a load of horse ****. He thinks there are loads of modern black single parent homes because slave families sometimes were forced to be split up nearly 200 years ago.
Rest of if it was good though.
That isn't a view on it.
It is avoiding the topic and trying to turn the discussion of black on black crime into your hatred of the police again.
Which is completely irrelevant to the topic.
Brainster
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Good lord, that's looniness on the order of "white women's tears." (If you don't know, Google it, you won't regret it.)
smartcooky
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Sometimes, you get worse than that... you get a Revolution. The first three to come to mind for me are 1765, 1789 and 1917. The root cause of all of them was oppression of the downtrodden by the elite.
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"WHy don't black people discuss black on black crime?"
"Uh they do, all the time, and part of the point of reforming police is so they can help."
"You just hate cops."
Sure, man. Whatever. Just stick your finger in your ears, shout "Lalalala I'm not listening!", and we'll leave it at that.
Yep - and as much as some online people want to talk about revolution, they don't quite ever get that *actual* revolution is incredibly ugly and violent, and can end up in a far worse place than when it started.
You are saying the reason blacks commit so much crime against fellow blacks is it is the police's fault.
Can you expand on this logic?
smartcooky
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No that is not what he is saying at all, NOT EVEN CLOSE!
"Black on Black" crime is just, well, crime.
White guys goes beserk with guns in a mall, former place of employment, school whatever, that is called "crime"
Black guy carries out home invasion and kills people in a house... that is called "crime"
It isn't any different whether the victims are black, white, Latino, Asian, all of the above, none of the above... it is all called "crime"
The issue here is that black/brown people in the US are overwhelmingly unfairly treated compared with white people, and this is especially so where the Police and Justice are involved.
- A black man’s jail sentence will be 19.1 percent longer than white man’s sentence for committing the same crime, even after accounting for criminal history.
https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing
- According to a report by the Center for Constitutional Rights, 51% of the people stopped by the NYPD under their "stop and frisk" policy were Black, 33% were Latino, and 9% were White, and only 2.6% of all stops resulted in contraband findings.
https://ccrjustice.org/home/get-inv...reports-racial-disparity-nypd-stop-and-frisks
These are just some of the problems face by black people in America
Diverting again.
I wasn't the one that brought the topic up.
I don't even want to particularly comment on it.
And haven't
psionl0
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It isn't that irrelevant.
"White on black" crime has different causes to "black on black" crime. If one type of crime is overrepresented in the statistics then that points to the causes that need to be prioritized.
Mumbles
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No, but I am saying that
First, if criminals and would-be criminals are allowed to commit crimes unchecked, they will do so;
Second, a hostile or uninterested police force that spends its time beating random people instead of actually targeting criminals will be ineffective, meaning that the criminals get to run free, so that's what they do - a police force that's hauling in everyone they shove into a wall and find some weed on, yet only so much as arrest anyone in 1/3 of all murders, and even less of other serious crimes, is bound to fail at protecting anyone;
Third, the answer to "Why don't black people ever talk about black on black crime" is that they talk about it all the time. If anything, they're the only people who talk about it day to day, that want to hear what politicians will do about it, and so forth. The only time most white people bring it up, in my experience, is to distract from another issue, such as police brutality - even when the issue is part of the problem.
The only way to not know this, is to not listen at all to black people.
In response, you pointedly refused to listen.
Done, again. Let's see if you get it this time around.
If you criminalize something that a lot of people like to or basically have to do and that isn’t really very offensive or harmful to most of the community, (messing with people for possessing marijuana, suspending drivers licenses for minor infractions and then piling on driving with suspended license charges etc, etc) and then the cops spend all their time essentially bothering everyday joes, then.
Yeah the community stops wanting or trusting the police’s help with the serious crime that the police ought to be concerned with. Not least because the perception, and sometimes the reality, is that police don’t expend much effort on serious crime as compared to harassing people in general.
Yeah the community stops wanting or trusting the police’s help with the serious crime that the police ought to be concerned with. Not least because the perception, and sometimes the reality, is that police don’t expend much effort on serious crime as compared to harassing people in general.
Thermal
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I think Mumbles is trying to get a different Uncomfortable Conversation going, as we were getting stalled on the Rouge Bike Assassin theme. IMO, he's cutting to the chase.
Thermal
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A lot of cops I talk to say that they rarely catch the bad guys in action. They are often called in after he got away, or arrest him to find him back on the streets. So they get into a preemptive busting, where they try to get the bad guys on whatever they can before they are trying to find a needle in a haystack. So the name of the game becomes getting people who match your profile of a criminal on any pretense.
So back to square one: why do so many cops think a young black male matches the profile of a violent criminal? Is it racism? Is it experience? Is it accurate pattern recognition? Probably often a combination.
I think job #1 is to provide education and opportunities in poor areas, so that crime is a less lucrative option (and I seriously don't blame people who take that option, lacking any meaningful alternatives).
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Simple solution: do away with sentencing ranges. Judges will hate it, and there will be some injustices, but it's a sure way to eliminate racial differences in sentencing.