UN Needs Troops to Prevent Disaster in Congo

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Kodiak said:

Diplomacy and Statecraft operate at their worst when they rely upon public opinion and popularity...
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Diplomacy and Statecraft operate at their best when the person negotiating has a bunch of these on call...





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Genghis Pwn said:
Does France have UN Security Council approval for this military adventure into a sovereign country?
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France has never sought such approval. The only country that has ever done that is (wait for it) the united states.
 
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Genghis Pwn said:
Diplomacy and Statecraft operate at their best when the person negotiating has a bunch of these on call...
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History has shown that both power and fear can be excellent negotiating factors in Diplomacy if used carefully and responsibly.
 
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Kodiak said:


Militarily, you couldn't be more correct...
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And if you become totally dependent on the military, you wind up being run by the military.





Diplomacy and Statecraft operate at their worst when they rely upon public opinion and popularity...
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I thought that the US was a democratic country, silly me.
 
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a_unique_person said:
And if you become totally dependent on the military, you wind up being run by the military.
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Stop fear mongering, a_u_p. I never said or implied that the military was the only facet of US diplomacy. The U.S. has a widely varied multitude of diplomatic options at it's disposal.



a_unique_person said:
I thought that the US was a democratic country, silly me.
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Silly you. The US government is a complex or hybrid democracy, best described as a constitutionally limited Republic.
 
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a_unique_person said:


Also known as bullying.
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"Bully" is a matter of opinion.

Predominancy would be a better term, as it doesn't betray a bias.
 
Yes, there are wars going on that the U.S. should get involved in once it is able to. Of course, the U.S. will take the side of those who are not the aggressors.
 
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Genghis Pwn said:


Diplomacy and Statecraft operate at their best when the person negotiating has a bunch of these on call...





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But those things work better in darkness w/o an F-16 giving away it's position! :D

On a serious note, there was a pic in the Chicago Tribune today of a 10 year old militia soldier w/ an AK-47 kicking a woman out of a house in the Congo. No doubt AUP would claim US forces were slaughtering helpless children if they're put in a position to have to kill these child soldiers.
 
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WildCat said:

But those things work better in darkness w/o an F-16 giving away it's position! :D

On a serious note, there was a pic in the Chicago Tribune today of a 10 year old militia soldier w/ an AK-47 kicking a woman out of a house in the Congo. No doubt AUP would claim US forces were slaughtering helpless children if they're put in a position to have to kill these child soldiers.
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Strawman.
 
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a_unique_person said:


Strawman.
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Quite the compliment coming from the King of all Scarecrows.
 
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WildCat said:

Quite the compliment coming from the King of all Scarecrows.
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Well, now I regret that remark, I admit it was uncalled for. The post you referred to as a strawman arguement was intentionally so. It was meant light-heartedly, however. Guess I should have used a smiley.
 
a_unique_person said:
Did you know the US is still the Military Commander of the South Korean Army? Amazingly, they still hold this position, humiliating the South Koreans as being second rate people who are not good enough to command their own armed forces in partnership with the US.
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I don't think you have a completely clear picture of the command structure in South Korea. I doubt it will modify your opinion any, but the first few paragraphs at this link sum it up well.

Combined Forces Command

"Despite the impression of total American control of Republic of Korea armed forces via CFC, the Korean units are independent forces. Only during time of war, does the Korean units subject itself to the CFC. Otherwise, Korean military operate independent of CFC in peacetime."

I also doubt your qualified to speak on the nature of the working relationship between ROK and US forces, but don't let me stop you.
 
Nately said:


I don't think you have a completely clear picture of the command structure in South Korea. I doubt it will modify your opinion any, but the first few paragraphs at this link sum it up well.

Combined Forces Command

"Despite the impression of total American control of Republic of Korea armed forces via CFC, the Korean units are independent forces. Only during time of war, does the Korean units subject itself to the CFC. Otherwise, Korean military operate independent of CFC in peacetime."

I also doubt your qualified to speak on the nature of the working relationship between ROK and US forces, but don't let me stop you.
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That's a pretty good catch 22, though, isn't it. If we aren't at war, we aren't under your command, but if we are at war, we are under your command.
 
Cyprus. Maybe it was not a brilliant succes story, but it wasn't a pathetic failure, either.

Okay, so ONCE the UN managed not to COMPLETELY screw things up. Quite the organization for solving the problems in Congo...
 
I don't ("A Unique Person") ha(s) a completely clear picture of the command structure in South Korea.

I also doubt (he's) qualified to speak on the nature of the working relationship between ROK and US forces,

but don't let me stop you.

Did not knowing what the hell he's talking about EVER stopped AUP before?
 
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a_unique_person said:


Sophistry.
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Where is the deception in what I've presented?

You're the one with a known bias, grinding your axe from one forum thread to the other...
 
Skeptic said:
Cyprus. Maybe it was not a brilliant succes story, but it wasn't a pathetic failure, either.

Okay, so ONCE the UN managed not to COMPLETELY screw things up. Quite the organization for solving the problems in Congo...
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They have asked for help. Britain, for example, is considering sending some.

It really is the sum of it's parts.
 
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Kodiak said:


I think that, in an attempt to reconcile with those UN member-nation's that ousted Saddam, France, Germany and Russia should provide the funds, troops, and material for this operation.
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The French will fight with the Belgans about who has the greater... Aw - forget about it. When the French learn to wipe their own ass...Aw...forget about it.
OK...The Congo is doomed. :(
 
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