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James Pinkerton of FOX has written, in a blog on FOXnews.com, an article tying Obama to Lucifer Prince of Darkness, via Saul Alinsky, who once humorously dedicated a book to Lucifer as the "first radical":

It may sound crazy, but one of the candidates in this race has publicly praised, even emulated, a writer-activist who himself paid tribute to Lucifer. That’s right, Lucifer, also known as the Devil, Satan, Beelzebub—you get the idea.

Do you think that admiring a Lucifer-admirer would make a difference to some voters?

If you’ve never heard of this true fact—and most Americans obviously haven’t—well, that might help to explain why John McCain is behind in the polls.

[...]

And the connection between Alinsky and Barack Obama—and Alinsky and the left in general—is real enough. As John Fund, author of a newly revised book, Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy, observes, Alinsky, who died in 1972, was a sort of godfather to all the activist groups that emerged in the 60s and 70s, the most famous (or, if you prefer, notorious) of which today is ACORN.

Fund notes that young Hillary Rodham was such a fan of Alinsky that she traveled to Chicago, four times, to interview him for an adulatory school thesis she was writing. And Obama is an on-the-record fan too: Fund quotes The Washington Post’s Peter Slevin, writing in 2007, “Obama embraced many of Alinsky’s tactics and recently said his years as an organizer gave him the best education of his life.” Slevin further noted that Obama’s and Hillary Rodham Clinton’s “common connection to Alinsky is one of the striking aspects of their biographies.”

OK, so the Alinsky-Obama connection is real.

Alinsky died when Obama was ten years old.

Pinkerton, whom FOX describe as a "political analyst", rather than, for example, "gibbering lunatic and blatant liar", goes on to advise that this line of attack is, and I quote: "how you win a presidential campaign, even amidst hard times for your party."
 
I received this email a few days ago.

This will make you re-think: A Trivia question in Sunday School:
How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelations?

Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is.
Almost a four-year term of a Presidency.

All I can say is 'Lord, Have mercy on us!'

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will
be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with
persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says
that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace,
and when he is in power, will destroy everything..

Do we recognize this description??

I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to post this as many times as
you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet..do it!
I refuse to take a chance on this unknown candidate who came out of nowhere.

From: Dr. John Tisdale

It would be laughable if it weren't so sickening. This guy has sent me stuff like this since Obama became the Dem candidate. When I try to engage him in a dialogue he just responds with "I feel your thinking is wrong." I finally wrote that I was putting him on my blocked email list since I don't share his warped views of politics and religion. It's very disturbing to me to know that there are whole groups of people out there who think that way.
 
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James Pinkerton of FOX has written, in a blog on FOXnews.com, an article tying Obama to Lucifer Prince of Darkness, via Saul Alinsky, who once humorously dedicated a book to Lucifer as the "first radical":

<SNIP>

Alinsky died when Obama was ten years old.

Pinkerton, whom FOX describe as a "political analyst", rather than, for example, "gibbering lunatic and blatant liar", goes on to advise that this line of attack is, and I quote: "how you win a presidential campaign, even amidst hard times for your party."

Why would this idiot Pinkerton stoop to making such an argument? As it is already self-evident to anyone paying attention that Obama is Satan. :p:D
 
How different are these people from Ayatollah Khomeiny who declared a fatwa on Salman Rusdie for writing "The satanic verses" ?

If reading a book which mentions Lucifer classifies you as a Satanist, then all bible readers are inherently also devilworshippers !
 
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James Pinkerton of FOX has written, in a blog on FOXnews.com, an article tying Obama to Lucifer Prince of Darkness, via Saul Alinsky, who once humorously dedicated a book to Lucifer as the "first radical":

<SNIP>

Alinsky died when Obama was ten years old.

Pinkerton, whom FOX describe as a "political analyst", rather than, for example, "gibbering lunatic and blatant liar", goes on to advise that this line of attack is, and I quote: "how you win a presidential campaign, even amidst hard times for your party."

While I agree that the entire Obama-Lucifer connection is ridiculous, would you not agree that Obama and Alinsky can theoretically have a connection of ideology? Alinsky, despite the fact that he died when Obama was ten, did leave behind a few books for others to read detailing his ideas.
 
NPR was interviewing "undecided" voters in one of the Southern states last week. One comment from an old lady was to this effect...."I don't have anything against Muslims particularly, but that Obama....He's a wicked one."

I wonder how much of this silliness is being spread from the pulpits of fundamentalist churches and Bible-study groups and the like?
If the polling is even remotely accurate, the number must be small.....Or at least one can hope.
 
I'm confused about the bible and the anti-christ stuff. Even if we are fore-warned, there's no preventing it, is there? Doesn't it have to happen, as it was written?

Or can we prevent it by voting for McCain? Is that how prophecy works?
 
While I agree that the entire Obama-Lucifer connection is ridiculous, would you not agree that Obama and Alinsky can theoretically have a connection of ideology? Alinsky, despite the fact that he died when Obama was ten, did leave behind a few books for others to read detailing his ideas.

According to Wikipedia :"Alinsky was a critic of mainstream liberalism, which he considered passive and ineffective. In Rules for Radicals, he argued that the most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired ends, and that an intermediate end for radicals should be democracy because of its relative ease to work within to achieve other ends of social justice."

If there is an ideological connection then is that they both believe in democracy. Something wrong with that ?

But on the other hand, I have read books that I totally disagree with because I believe in knowledge. It doesn't mean there's an ideological connection between me and the writer, it just means that I want to know both sides of an issue before I take an informed decision...
 
Steve Malzberg, yesterday, criticized Obama for speaking approvingly of a pastor (not J. Wright) who spoke approvingly of some of the lyrics of "Thugz Mansion" by Tupac Shakur.

Shakur has, according to some reports, been dead for twelve years.
 
James Pinkerton of FOX has written, in a blog on FOXnews.com, an article tying Obama to Lucifer Prince of Darkness, via Saul Alinsky, who once humorously dedicated a book to Lucifer as the "first radical":

It may sound crazy, but one of the candidates in this race has publicly praised, even emulated, a writer-activist who himself paid tribute to Lucifer. That’s right, Lucifer, also known as the Devil, Satan, Beelzebub—you get the idea.

...snip...


Shock news: James Pinkerton of FOX found dead at roadside, reports say his eyes were pecked out by a raven after his car mysteriously broke down.
 
While I agree that the entire Obama-Lucifer connection is ridiculous, would you not agree that Obama and Alinsky can theoretically have a connection of ideology? Alinsky, despite the fact that he died when Obama was ten, did leave behind a few books for others to read detailing his ideas.
Oh, well, if you want to be serious ...

As I understand it, Alinsky's role was not that of an ideologue; but rather as a Sun Tzu or Machiavelli of community organizing; and I would bet that Obama did read at least some of his writings, which apparently are still standard fare for community organizers.
 
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If there is an ideological connection then is that they both believe in democracy. Something wrong with that ?

No, but since you asked, there is something wrong with this:

According to Wikipedia :"Alinsky was a critic of mainstream liberalism, which he considered passive and ineffective. In Rules for Radicals, he argued that the most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired ends, and that an intermediate end for radicals should be democracy because of its relative ease to work within to achieve other ends of social justice."

Read my post again. I was not arguing that they were ideologically connected, thus the qualifier, "theoretically" within my post. Let me state it more specifically. The author quoted by Dr A was implying an Obama-Alinsky connection. I have heard/read a number of conservatives make that same argument. I think the argument that they are making, including Pinkerton, is a connection of ideology, not of personal interaction. So Dr A's inclusion of the statement "Alinsky died when Obama was ten years old" just seemed out of place to me, since it would be a refutation of an argument of personal interaction, and I don't think anyone is making that type of connection argument. That was the intent of my question.

(Now,you could make the case that those making the Obama-Alinsky connection are deliberately using the vague term "connection", in the hopes that some unthinking individuals will just assume the personal connection argument, but I doubt that people who fit into that category would know who Alinsky is in the first place.)
 
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Pinkerton was part of the group that ran the notoriously sleazy ads during the '06 elections -- the "Brokebank Mountain" and the "bada-bing/mafia" ads amongst others.

(He's also a panelist on Fox News Watch, a media watchdog program.)
 
Now,you could make the case that those making the Obama-Alinsky connection are deliberately using the vague term "connection", in the hopes that some unthinking individuals will just assume the personal connection argument, but I doubt that people who fit into that category would know who Alinsky is in the first place.
Which is why the people saying that there's a connection also tell their audience that Alinsky dedicated a book to Lucifer.

Watch this:

www.southbendforum.com/showthread.php?t=5428 : "Obama's radical mentor, Saul Alinsky, dedicated his book RULES FOR RADICALS to Lucifer"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2078653/posts : Obama, his Mentor Saul Alinsky, and what a "community Organizer" is ... His creed was set out in his book ‘Rules for Radicals’ – a book he dedicated to Lucifer, whom he called the ‘first radical’

http://catholiccitizens.org/news/contentview.asp?c=47897 : Obama mentor and "Community Organizer" Alinsky dedicated his "Rules for Radicals" to Lucifer

And so forth, I'm sure you can google on Alinsky Lucifer Obama mentor yourself.

What Alinsky actually did, apart from that book dedication, is irrelevant. His biography is obviously completely irrelevant, since he managed to be a "mentor" to a ten-year-old boy he never met. The crucial words are: "Obama" ... "connection" ... "Lucifer".
 
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Which is why the people saying that there's a connection also tell their audience that Alinsky dedicated a book to Lucifer.

Watch this:

www.southbendforum.com/showthread.php?t=5428 : "Obama's radical mentor, Saul Alinsky, dedicated his book RULES FOR RADICALS to Lucifer"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2078653/posts : Obama, his Mentor Saul Alinsky, and what a "community Organizer" is ... His creed was set out in his book ‘Rules for Radicals’ – a book he dedicated to Lucifer, whom he called the ‘first radical’

http://catholiccitizens.org/news/contentview.asp?c=47897 : Obama mentor and "Community Organizer" Alinsky dedicated his "Rules for Radicals" to Lucifer

And so forth, I'm sure you can google on Alinsky Lucifer Obama mentor yourself.

What Alinsky actually did, apart from that book dedication, is irrelevant. His biography is obviously completely irrelevant, since he managed to be a "mentor" to a ten-year-old boy he never met. The crucial words are: "Obama" ... "connection" ... "Lucifer".

I've heard the Obama-Alinsky argument many times without the Lucifer reference, but as your links show, it happens. Perhaps because of the very reason I mentioned in the post you were responding to. That is that selling the Obama-Alinsky argument to narrow thinking individuals is tough when those narrow thinking individuals have no idea, nor will they research, who Saul Alinsky is. But you can certainly grab their attention when you mention Satan as well!
 
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Pinkerton was part of the group that ran the notoriously sleazy ads during the '06 elections -- the "Brokebank Mountain" and the "bada-bing/mafia" ads amongst others.

(He's also a panelist on Fox News Watch, a media watchdog program.)

He also contributes to bloggingheads.tv and he's regularly paired with David Corn, and they're excellent together. I like Pinkerton. Well, I can tolerate him. Sometimes he's horrible but other times... he's not horrible.
 
Pinkerton was part of the group that ran the notoriously sleazy ads during the '06 elections -- the "Brokebank Mountain" and the "bada-bing/mafia" ads amongst others.

(He's also a panelist on Fox News Watch, a media watchdog program.)

Fox News Watch panelists Jane Hall and Patricia Murphy criticizes their own network when warranted. Imagine MNSBC having a show where criticisms of MSNBC are voiced.
 
Fox News Watch panelists Jane Hall and Patricia Murphy criticizes their own network when warranted. Imagine MNSBC having a show where criticisms of MSNBC are voiced.

Considering the rate at which the two channels air total rotting BS, every employee of Fox should be required to spend two hours of each working day doing mea culpas.
 
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