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Ultimate crystal healing

Is this a trick? That guy from Dateline isn't coming out of the woodwork is he?

Blindfolded girl, deck of cards, roll of quarters, and an observer with a clipboard. Who lacks imagination? Not me ;)

ROFL! That went completely over my head. You pervert. ; )
 
All jokes aside, I'm quite looking forward to trying this experiment.

We are going to have to set it up to be performed over several weeks, though- as Warren has said, I find that the results of an 'aura comb' are not instantaneous, and may take up to a couple of days to manifest to my level of sensitivity.

Since we're not trying to ascertain whether I'm psychic (I'm not), but rather whether or not the 'combing' of an 'aura' with a quartz crystal can have (OK, totally subjective!) benefits to the combee, I can't see the experiment yielding anything useful in under ten sessions.

Since Warren and myself are on aphasic schedules workwise, we'll probably have to continue for longer than ten weeks.

But I'm looking forward to interpreting the results!
 
Originally Posted by warren sinden
quarts crystal

Originally Posted by frank462
Also available in pints.

Originally Posted by DmKrispin
Weren't they supposed to go metric back in the 70s??

Originally Posted by frank462
You are absolutely correct, my mistake.
Also available in pints half-liter.

Sorry, due to EC regulations, liquid crystals have to be sold in litres.

Jolly good, old chap. They will be labeled like that (litre) when sent to the European market.
 
All jokes aside, I'm quite looking forward to trying this experiment. ...

Can you tell us a little bit more detail about specifically what you are doing? I mean, in a step-by-step description (what I like to call "peanut-butter-and-jelly" instructions. ; ) ).

Also, remember that this experiment is rather complicated by the fact that there are actually several undemonstrated things to demonstrate:

1) That there is such a thing as an "aura".
2) What this aura actually is (i.e., electromagnetic energy? something else?), and how to measure it.
3) That a person can feel changes to this "aura", and that such changes are distinguishable from the placebo effect.

You've mentioned that it can take several days for you to notice a change. This in and of itself raises some problems: since the topic of this thread is healing, be advised that many minor conditions take a few days to clear up; if a person reports that his/her symptoms are gone in a few days, it may not be due to crystals affecting an "aura", but simply a result of the condition clearing up on its own.

Also, noting that you feel different over a several-day period isn't really a good test, either; changes in your body chemistry (due to different foods taken in over the period, different levels of hydration, different levels of stress and/or fatigue, etc.) could easily account for a change in mood over such a time.

So for a good test, you have to find something that does not fit either bill -- won't clear up on its own, and is not so subtle as to be indistinguishable from everyday normal body functions -- and it has to happen consistently enough that you can test it in a reasonable amount of time.

I state "reasonable amount of time" because if you're blinding your test even half-way appropriately, it takes a little bit of set-up -- of infrastructure. It can't just be person A "combing" person B whenever person A feels under the weather. There has to be a way to control for the placebo effect, and that means that person B (and, actually, person A too, for a true double-blind test) does not know whether the crystal is being used. That's a bit more involved.

So, since option #3 is going to take many, many weeks, you might want to see if you can't concentrate on options #1 and #2, and find something that's a bit easier to test and control. For example, how do you know there's an "aura"? Can person A feel the aura through the crystal? How far from the body does this aura extend? And so forth. If you approach it that way, it shouldn't be at all difficult to set up a test that won't take months.
 
Hello Jackalgirl,

Your points are good and valid.

However, I'm undertaking this test to satisfy my own curiosity only!

I don't suffer from any conditions whose severity could be objectively measured anyway.

It's a matter of spiritual/emotional wellness that I believe that I can feel.

I know that sounds irrational.

I have no idea what constitutes an 'aura', and any changes to my general wellbeing are entirely subjective in nature.
 
Hello Jackalgirl,

Your points are good and valid.

However, I'm undertaking this test to satisfy my own curiosity only!

I don't suffer from any conditions whose severity could be objectively measured anyway.

It's a matter of spiritual/emotional wellness that I believe that I can feel.

I know that sounds irrational.

I have no idea what constitutes an 'aura', and any changes to my general wellbeing are entirely subjective in nature.

All very well and good, but I do ask you this: why would your curiosity not include trying to throughly test something to see what's really going on? Do you feel that your spiritual or emotional wellness would suffer if you knew that "crystal combing" was not a real effect? I ask this sincerely, because I've seen it here: a reluctance to test out of fear that the test will prove that a cherished belief is, well, just cherished.

But how about this: wouldn't it suffice to know that the placebo effect is an actual, demonstrated effect with some pretty impressive power of its own, and that spending time with good friends and loved ones has also been shown to have a positive effect on spiritual and emotional wellness? Is there anything wrong with that?

I'm always curious when someone comes along and says, essentially "no, I don't want to actually study or explore this in any detail", because I myself would be intensely curious about what's actually happening. Knowing what's actually happening will allow you to develop and hone the positive effects far more efficiently than simply attributing the effect to something that's not really related. You won't lose anything by exploring in detail: you'll only gain, gain, and gain some more.
 
Hello Jackalgirl,

Yes, I am indeed curious, which is why I'm going to give some form of test a fair shot.

I am aware of the placebo effect, and it can be very powerful indeed.

But since I actually don't know what's going on here, in terms of physical systems, it's difficult to measure with any kind of objective accuracy.

I have a degree in Physics (and Theoretical Astronomy), and I know that the gravitational force, for example, is many times weaker than the strong nuclear, and yet because the range of the strong nuclear force is so much smaller (and drops off rapidly with distance), we didn't even know it existed until - what ? - a century or so ago.

It wouldn't boggle my mind to find out that there is another force in operation here, one which may bear the ratio of strength to the gravitational force that that one does to the strong nuclear, for example.

We just haven't detected it yet.Give us (and by 'us' I mean the scientists, not the woos, Senex) time.
 
Hello Jackalgirl,

Yes, I am indeed curious, which is why I'm going to give some form of test a fair shot.

I am aware of the placebo effect, and it can be very powerful indeed.

But since I actually don't know what's going on here, in terms of physical systems, it's difficult to measure with any kind of objective accuracy.

I have a degree in Physics (and Theoretical Astronomy), and I know that the gravitational force, for example, is many times weaker than the strong nuclear, and yet because the range of the strong nuclear force is so much smaller (and drops off rapidly with distance), we didn't even know it existed until - what ? - a century or so ago.

It wouldn't boggle my mind to find out that there is another force in operation here, one which may bear the ratio of strength to the gravitational force that that one does to the strong nuclear, for example.

We just haven't detected it yet.Give us (and by 'us' I mean the scientists, not the woos, Senex) time.

Well, again, how are you planning, exactly, to proceed? What will you be testing for, in particular, and how will you be doing it? By "how", I mean a description of your experiment protocol.
 
We're not planning anything too stringent - I honestly don't care enough, and have enough of a life to live,to give it the going-over it probably deserves.

(smilies! Where are my damn smilies??)

So, starting next wee on Tuesday, which is the first moment Warren and I have off together, I'm going to do the first run.

Warren is not to let me know what object (even what choice of objects) he's using .

We'll record the datetime, and I'll make sloppy notes in my journal about my feelings.

The next run will probably be ten days after that one-due to our individual work schedules.

It's not a tight protocol, lots of room for error and it's certainly not double-blind.

But it's a start and about all we can manage right now.
 
We're not planning anything too stringent - I honestly don't care enough, and have enough of a life to live,to give it the going-over it probably deserves....

Well, I would say that it does deserve a going-over if it's something that you use to produce an effect in your life, but then again, that could just be me. ; )

Will you be using a blindfold? (i.e., is there the possibility "coded into" the test that Warren might not be using anything at all?) Also, how will he choose which object to use -- will he roll dice, or something? I'd recommend dice, so as to try to control for "operator preference."

Good luck, and thanks for the description!
 
Yup, a blindfold will be used-to try to cut out any edge effects on my vision.

Oddly, we don't have any dice in the house, but I can arrange a random number generator from the computer to stand in for it-throttle it down to say ten digits, and have agrred which number corresponds to which object.

Then I'll have to make sure that I can't get to know which number Warren 'rolled'-we'll set the generator up on his side of the computer, which is password-controlled.That will satisy me at any rate, although I realise it's not sufficient for a proper test.
 
Yup, a blindfold will be used-to try to cut out any edge effects on my vision.

Oddly, we don't have any dice in the house, but I can arrange a random number generator from the computer to stand in for it-throttle it down to say ten digits, and have agrred which number corresponds to which object.

Then I'll have to make sure that I can't get to know which number Warren 'rolled'-we'll set the generator up on his side of the computer, which is password-controlled.That will satisy me at any rate, although I realise it's not sufficient for a proper test.

It's not a bad start, though. I'll be better if you don't compare notes (his list of objects with your diary) until you've gotten enough samples, too -- I didn't catch if you'd mentioned whether you were going to do this, and it's probably occured to you anyway. But it looks like you've got an interesting preliminary study going. : ) I'm looking forward to seeing the results!
 

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