UKIP a one trick Pony
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It is still highly embarrassing, for England in particular. It is not about numbers it is about PR. This will move Tories and Labour even further to the right. So it is a victory.
ETA - and also more of these morons on the gravytrain. They'll be more than happy.
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malicus
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2010 General election saw UKIP with 0.91M votes. 2014 EU election saw 4.3M. Even if half aren't going to vote for them in the next general, that's a doubling of their vote. Granted, double a small number is, well, a small number. But it's the shift of the vote that is of interest, and as previously noted by other posters, the knock-on to the major parties next manifestos, and (I think) subsequent coalition governments.
Rolfe
Adult human female
I think the unionists in Scotland have seriously misconstrued the effect of the 10% UKIP vote in Scotland allowing them just to squeak the 6th seat.
Independence supporters were upset, but purely because the very idea of having that buffoon Coburn as an MEP was offensive to them. Bizarrely, Labour politicians were gloating because they imagined this development to be bad news for the Yes camp. Certainly the SNP had hoped to get the 6th seat, but that wasn't exactly the point.
Labour have been banging on for years about the need to stay in the UK to help our English cousins defeat the Tories. It was our clear duty to put up with English Tory governments whenever they happened in order to add our votes to English Labour and help them across the line when possible.
Now what? It's perfectly clear that Scottish votes have virtually no effect on the overall makeup of Westminster - there aren't enough of us. What is also clear from last week is that the opposite is happening. Right-wing politics form England is spreading to Scotland (albeit only to a very limited extent at the moment), courtesy of us being bombarded by English-dominated media. The BBC lately has been on a big-up-UKIP campaign, giving them enormous coverage in Scotland.
We're already seeing undecided and soft-No referendum voters declaring for Yes, out of horror over what has happened in England, and even more horror at the prospect of the same thing happening here if we have to remain in the union. For some reason I don't think the Labour politicians who were grinning and gloating over the UKIP seat anticipated this.
Rolfe.
Independence supporters were upset, but purely because the very idea of having that buffoon Coburn as an MEP was offensive to them. Bizarrely, Labour politicians were gloating because they imagined this development to be bad news for the Yes camp. Certainly the SNP had hoped to get the 6th seat, but that wasn't exactly the point.
Labour have been banging on for years about the need to stay in the UK to help our English cousins defeat the Tories. It was our clear duty to put up with English Tory governments whenever they happened in order to add our votes to English Labour and help them across the line when possible.
Now what? It's perfectly clear that Scottish votes have virtually no effect on the overall makeup of Westminster - there aren't enough of us. What is also clear from last week is that the opposite is happening. Right-wing politics form England is spreading to Scotland (albeit only to a very limited extent at the moment), courtesy of us being bombarded by English-dominated media. The BBC lately has been on a big-up-UKIP campaign, giving them enormous coverage in Scotland.
We're already seeing undecided and soft-No referendum voters declaring for Yes, out of horror over what has happened in England, and even more horror at the prospect of the same thing happening here if we have to remain in the union. For some reason I don't think the Labour politicians who were grinning and gloating over the UKIP seat anticipated this.
Rolfe.
angrysoba
Philosophile
I wonder if this could happen in the next few years.
Scotland votes for independence and leaves the union.
The rest of the UK votes for independence from Europe.
Wales and Cornwall take fright and demand their own independence from the rump of England. Prince Charles kicked out of Wales and Cornwall.
Northern Ireland unifies with Republic of Ireland.
Rump of England becomes its own state independent of European Union.
Nobody wants to go to England anymore.
Immigration problem solved for UKIP.
Queen dies.
King Charles declares it is time for action against global warming.
Prime Minister Farage is incensed at this meddling of the Crown in the affairs of the Commons and declares Rump of England a Republic with himself made President who demands to be known forthwith as Il Duce.
Il Duce Farage turns Palace of Westminster into a pub and has it painted purple.
Scotland votes for independence and leaves the union.
The rest of the UK votes for independence from Europe.
Wales and Cornwall take fright and demand their own independence from the rump of England. Prince Charles kicked out of Wales and Cornwall.
Northern Ireland unifies with Republic of Ireland.
Rump of England becomes its own state independent of European Union.
Nobody wants to go to England anymore.
Immigration problem solved for UKIP.
Queen dies.
King Charles declares it is time for action against global warming.
Prime Minister Farage is incensed at this meddling of the Crown in the affairs of the Commons and declares Rump of England a Republic with himself made President who demands to be known forthwith as Il Duce.
Il Duce Farage turns Palace of Westminster into a pub and has it painted purple.
ddt
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It's certainly a hilarious idea if Hadrian's wall should serve to protect Europe from the barbarians to the south of it. Cue scenes of desperate English(wo)men trying to scale it, like the wretched boats at Lampedusa. Cue also four Yorkshiremen reminiscing the experience. 
But really, "Il Duce"? How awfully foreign. What about "Dear Leader"?
But really, "Il Duce"? How awfully foreign. What about "Dear Leader"?
It's certainly a hilarious idea if Hadrian's wall should serve to protect Europe from the barbarians to the south of it. Cue scenes of desperate English(wo)men trying to scale it, like the wretched boats at Lampedusa. Cue also four Yorkshiremen reminiscing the experience.
But really, "Il Duce"? How awfully foreign. What about "Dear Leader"?
tbh "Farage" isn't exactly anglo-saxon
Rolfe
Adult human female
I've certainly come across a number of Northumbrians who are pretty keen on the idea of becoming part of Scotland, but I think international law as regards the integrity of states and not annexing chunks of your neighbours would take a moderately dim view.
Noorthumbria - the new Crimea?
Rolfe.
Noorthumbria - the new Crimea?
Rolfe.
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It's certainly a hilarious idea if Hadrian's wall should serve to protect Europe from the barbarians to the south of it. Cue scenes of desperate English(wo)men trying to scale it, like the wretched boats at Lampedusa. Cue also four Yorkshiremen reminiscing the experience.
But really, "Il Duce"? How awfully foreign. What about "Dear Leader"?
Lord Protector of the Realm would seem to be the traditional choice.
Wudang
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Thought it had been linked before but after a long day staring at perl code I'm blind nd confused so here goes http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-alan-sked-party-become-frankensteins-monster
UKIP founder Alan Sked :"If you elect a Ukip MEP, you're just going to elect another incompetent charlatan that you're going to turn into another millionaire. They go native in Brussels, take the expenses and the perks and do **** all."
UKIP founder Alan Sked :"If you elect a Ukip MEP, you're just going to elect another incompetent charlatan that you're going to turn into another millionaire. They go native in Brussels, take the expenses and the perks and do **** all."
Rolfe
Adult human female
I don't think many of the people who voted UKIP were sophisticated enough to have picked up on that point.
Rolfe.
Rolfe.
ddt
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Yeah, a faraway ancestor escaped the St. Bartholomew's masssacre. And his wife is German, she probably has a Führerschein.tbh "Farage" isn't exactly anglo-saxon
First make sure you actually become a state. And after that, why not keep the Trident in order to free the Northumbrians?
Rolfe
Adult human female
Yes, but Scotland's border integrity goes back way before the union. We entered the union by treaty as a discrete entity and we will leave it the same way.
Trident is certainly one of the big bargaining chips, despite the unionists' attempts to pretend it's our problem. Plan Z is just to say, if it's not collected by a certain date, we're putting it on eBay.
Rolfe.
Trident is certainly one of the big bargaining chips, despite the unionists' attempts to pretend it's our problem. Plan Z is just to say, if it's not collected by a certain date, we're putting it on eBay.
Rolfe.
Wudang
BOFH
Nice. Finally a good landscaping option for Portsmouth.
(with apologies to my mates who still live there. Couldn't resist)
(with apologies to my mates who still live there. Couldn't resist)
angrysoba
Philosophile
It's certainly a hilarious idea if Hadrian's wall should serve to protect Europe from the barbarians to the south of it. Cue scenes of desperate English(wo)men trying to scale it, like the wretched boats at Lampedusa. Cue also four Yorkshiremen reminiscing the experience.
But really, "Il Duce"? How awfully foreign. What about "Dear Leader"?
tbh "Farage" isn't exactly anglo-saxon
Indeed.
Really ? How many ?
The reason I ask is that I'm originally from up that way and pop back from time to time and my experience of the native Northumbrians is that their opinions on Scottish independence span the full range from "the very best luck to them" through indifference to "hope they sink without trace" but not a single one of them have expressed any desire to be part of an independent Scotland.
To be fair this represents a straw poll of a couple of dozen middle class people in the 40-80 age range so it doesn't represent a full cross-section of sociaty.
Rolfe
Adult human female
It's something that pops up regularly in discussion threads about Scottish independence. I couldn't say how many people have expressed that opinion, or how serious they are. I suspect it's not a majority aspiration, and even those that say it probably aren't really serious.
At some point, identity does matter. And people in Northumbria are English.
Rolfe.
At some point, identity does matter. And people in Northumbria are English.
Rolfe.
Indeed.
Especially in the pronunciation. If he was a proper Englishman he'd pronounce it "Farridge" rather than "Farahge"
Puppycow
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/26/european-elections-2014-r_n_5391365.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
I'm a bit curious about how this works.
A party that got 7.9% of the vote got 3 seats, and one that got 6.9% got one.
Another that got 0.7% also got one, and a party that got 2.4% got 2.
A party called "An Independence From Europe" got 1.5% of the vote. Isn't that UKIP's issue? Why two different parties? There's even a "NO2EU" party. Same thing?
I'm a bit curious about how this works.
A party that got 7.9% of the vote got 3 seats, and one that got 6.9% got one.
Another that got 0.7% also got one, and a party that got 2.4% got 2.
A party called "An Independence From Europe" got 1.5% of the vote. Isn't that UKIP's issue? Why two different parties? There's even a "NO2EU" party. Same thing?
ddt
Mafia Penguin
You mean, in proper English it would rhyme with "dammidge"?Especially in the pronunciation. If he was a proper Englishman he'd pronounce it "Farridge" rather than "Farahge"