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UK Sceptics Please Help - Princess Di

If Darat had not already nominated westprog, I'd be doing it.

Great work westprog.
 
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Big Les said:
I heard "Al" Fayed on Radio 4 this morning spouting unmitigated and textbook CT nonsense about the report commissioner being "got to" in some way and that he'd be ignoring the results of the report because "only he" knew the truth. No evidence, just speculation. The presenter gave him short shrift thankfully.
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He's a grieving father.
Most grieving fathers will feel that the best has never been enough for their children, when it comes to situations like this. It is hard to accept the death of those who should outlive you and carry on your legacy.

It is only because he is so rich that he has the opportunity to bring more attention to his grief, and resultant theories, than most can. It is good that the presenter gave his theories short thrift, but I hope they still treated him with the respect he deserves as a father.
 
chillzero said:
He's a grieving father.
Most grieving fathers will feel that the best has never been enough for their children, when it comes to situations like this. It is hard to accept the death of those who should outlive you and carry on your legacy.

It is only because he is so rich that he has the opportunity to bring more attention to his grief, and resultant theories, than most can. It is good that the presenter gave his theories short thrift, but I hope they still treated him with the respect he deserves as a father.
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He was sufficiently respectful, but did not pull any punches in insisting on Fayed explaining what evidence there was for his claims. You can listen to the interview (go forward to 8:20am) here.

I don't see why the irrationality consequent to grief should be considered any more than any other brand of irrationality. What Fayed has claimed is patently absurd, and just before the public enquiry he fought for was released, he said he would ignore it.

If anything, the fact that he is a grieving father is exactly why his subjective, baseless speculation should be discounted out of hand.
 
Big Les said:
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If anything, the fact that he is a grieving father is exactly why his subjective, baseless speculation should be discounted out of hand.
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And let's be blunt also because his general acquaintance with facts can at best be described as slight!
 
Big Les said:
If anything, the fact that he is a grieving father is exactly why his subjective, baseless speculation should be discounted out of hand.
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A grieving, guilty father. Paul was working for Al Fayed. If it wasn't MI6 it was ultimately his fault.
 
What is the secrecy that people keep going on about? I hadn't noticed any.
 
Big Les said:
If anything, the fact that he is a grieving father is exactly why his subjective, baseless speculation should be discounted out of hand.
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Agreed. I was focussing on the fact that his position gives him the ability to air these views more than most, not meaning to imply he was correct.
 
I thought you were excusing his actions. I wouldn't think of him as a "grieving father" given that his bereavement was nine years ago- at least not in the sense of his waking up every morning unable to face the day because of the loss of Dodi. Frankly, however, the length, expense and thoroughness of the investigation and its 900 page report I'm afraid just makes Al Fayed look something of a fool when he dismisses it sight unseen (as well pointed out above, the very investigation he had himself lobbied for). Before he latched onto this conspiracy theory that enabled him to pretty much say what he liked about a British Establishment that he feels has slighted him, he was an almost buffonish but still quite sharp businessman who had managed to defeat Tiny Rowland and other big business names at their own game.
 
Larry Lovage said:
I thought you were excusing his actions.
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No.
I just think many other parents go through this same nightmare, but without the platform to play it out like this, or having this kind of attention lavished on them.
 
It was a set up. Diana was about to go to Mecca for the Haj and the Royals had to take her down. It's obvious! There was no damage to the tunnel sheeple!!! that car collapsed into it's own footprint!!

Wake up and smell the thermate!
 
He was convinced of a UK government conspiracy against him well before his son was killed; look at the whole citizenship/passport fiasco. His claims have been roundly debunked, and he needs to STFU.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Pretty much that someone in the royal family would want to do it. They have a history, after all.

Beyond that, it's as you said; most documented car crash in history. Car crashes may be dramatic, but they are notoriously unreliable as means of assasination. There's no way to deliberately rig a vehicular incident to produce a garanteed fatality in one specific passenger that would have escaped the 10,000 papparazi who weren't directly involved.
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As its Christmas Eve I decided to watch Ronin (...well the films set around Christmas Time) and it suddenly hit me, has anyone, in the whole 'Diana Conspiracy' milieu tried to link John Frankenheimer to the 'conspiracy' the same way that Kubrick is linked to the Moon Hoax?

The film does have that climactic car chase through the Paris tunnel system (which always puts a chill up my spine) and it would not surprise me if someone tried to tie production to what happened on the night of the 31/08/97, say by claiming that the conspirators borrowed some of the films stuntmen....
 
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