UK General Election

Whoops, apparently Labour have just announced they will support it.

Idiots - it's absolutely the worst possible time in their history for a General Election.
 
I can never quite decide if Corbyn is deluded or a secret Tory.
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
Whoops, apparently Labour have just announced they will support it.

Idiots - it's absolutely the worst possible time in their history for a General Election.
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I'm starting to think he's a Tory agent, sent to destroy the Labour from the inside.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
It requires the Tories to list the most vocal opponents of Brexit from their own ranks and have a list of appropriate Yes men for candidates. Their quality doesn't matter with the polls and opposition the way they are. They also don't need to prune every doubter and place a puppet on every seat, just remove the most vocal and strongest Bremainers and replace them with a combination of Brexitards and Yes men, they're both equally good for this task.

It's something maybe 10 people with the adequate knowledge of MPs can do well enough in two or three days, tops. Forward planning or three days hard work both work fine. Tories are capable of either, this isn't something complicated.

McHrozni
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My understanding (and its far from complete) is that candidates need to be approved by a vote of the local party so it's not just a case of two guys with a list crossing out names.

It would be highly unlikely that a sitting MP is going to get taken off the list so all (any?) the current Bremainer Tory MPs will still be there.

Depending on exactly how much say the local party have on their candidates then there are limitations on how much they can gerrymander those standing in marginals too. So yes there would have to have been some level of co-ordination with local parties and I'm just not sure there is enough time to make that happen if the election is to be held in 7 weeks with campaigning presumably to start almost immediately?
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
Whoops, apparently Labour have just announced they will support it.

Idiots - it's absolutely the worst possible time in their history for a General Election.
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Well given all the times he's been voting with them on Brexit it's probably become a habit for him now :D

In all seriousness he could hardly say no but he could have argued for later in the year and blocked it that way
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
Whoops, apparently Labour have just announced they will support it.

Idiots - it's absolutely the worst possible time in their history for a General Election.
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To be honest they were in a lose lose situation. Imagine if they had said they won't support it and were happy to just stay in opposition for the next few years. They'd have been branded cowards and losers.

Probably the best they could do is to say they support it but push for the date to be later to give them more time to prepare.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
It would be highly unlikely that a sitting MP is going to get taken off the list so all (any?) the current Bremainer Tory MPs will still be there.
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Maybe, maybe not. They don't have to remove all of them, just a few would be enough - especially if they also pick up a few Labour and maybe SNP seats and fill them with Brexitards and Yes men.

McHrozni
 
Vixen said:
I am now going to join Lib-Dem, but can see no hope of them getting a majority vote let alone win seats.
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This might be what the Lib-Dems need to get the party off life support. With Clegg out of the picture I think a lot of pro-EU voters might be prepared to hold their noses and vote for the least bad option.

Dave
 
I feel sorry for the traditional Labour voters. First they see the party taken over by an incompetent socialist, now they'll see their party effectively destroyed and pushed out of Westminster.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Probably the best they could do is to say they support it but push for the date to be later to give them more time to prepare.
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The problem is that a later date weakens UK. It shortens the time it has to negotiate a deal with the EU. Early June is indeed the last possible date for the election if UK doesn't want to make the already tight schedule even tighter.

Theresa May is already hammering that point, UK needs to stand united, a vote for Tory is the only way to get anything out of Brexit, etc.

It's something we normally see in countries like Turkey and Russia, truth to be told. Or banana republics for that manner.

Labour should be all over this: "The right time for an election was September 2016, do not turn us into Turkey, pretty please" and so on.

McHrozni
 
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Can't believe she didn't wait till 2020 to give guaranteed Tory rule till 2025. Maybe she was worried Corbyn wouldn't last as Labour leader that long?
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The negative effects of Brexit will have started to be felt in 2020. At the moment not only does it seem hunky-dory, but she's pushing the narrative of "if you don't vote Conservative you'll make the country look weak and that will harm our Brexit negotiations". So not only is the country in the best state it's going to be for quite a while, and not only is her opposition incredibly weak (and doesn't have time to prepare), but she's also able to make it seem like voting Tory is everybody's patriotic duty at the moment, and that voting for anybody else could seriously harm the country beyond simply having someone else in power.

The potential positive is that when Labour lose there may be a change of leadership and we might get an actual opposition party who can bring the Tories to task for the next 5 years. If we're really lucky, that person will actually be left-wing, too.
 
McHrozni said:
The problem is that a later date weakens UK. It shortens the time it has to negotiate a deal with the EU. Early June is indeed the last possible date for the election if UK doesn't want to make the already tight schedule even tighter.

Theresa May is already hammering that point, UK needs to stand united, a vote for Tory is the only way to get anything out of Brexit, etc.

It's something we normally see in countries like Turkey and Russia, truth to be told. Or banana republics for that manner.

Labour should be all over this: "The right time for an election was September 2016, do not turn us into Turkey, pretty please" and so on.

McHrozni
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Negotiations can proceed in the meantime. There's no need to wait for the GE result.

Of course, the other way to look at this is TM looking for yet another way to scupper Brexit and blame someone else for the failure. If you were really looking for a conspiracy theory then maybe Corbyn doesn't want to be the PM that implements Brexit anymore than May does.

What fun if we get a hung parliament and the Lib Dems/SNP are the brokers of power! :)
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Negotiations can proceed in the meantime. There's no need to wait for the GE result.
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Not if the goal of negotiations change abruptly in the meantime they don't. Which could well happen, if the election altered the political landscape of UK to a sufficient degree.

Of course, the other way to look at this is TM looking for yet another way to scupper Brexit and blame someone else for the failure.
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This is my pet theory which I find no reason to abandon it. However how does this election further that goal is beyond me. It's clear she is unlikely to lose the election, so how does this work to scupper Brexit or at least allow her to blame someone else for the failures?

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
This is my pet theory which I find no reason to abandon it. However how does this election further that goal is beyond me.
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It's a strange theory. If Brexit is 'scuppered' then it's irrelevant what excuses the Conservatives make, it will be a monumental failure that will haunt them for decades. The idea of TM wanting that is unfeasible to say the least. And then there's the fact that Brexit cannot be scuppered, averted, avoided, delayed or cancelled - just messed up.
 
baron said:
It's a strange theory. If Brexit is 'scuppered' then it's irrelevant what excuses the Conservatives make, it will be a monumental failure that will haunt them for decades.
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So is a hard Brexit.

And then there's the fact that Brexit cannot be scuppered, averted, avoided, delayed or cancelled - just messed up.
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Oh, I'm sure the EU 27 could be made to forgive UK all of this and allow UK to remain inside EU despite invoking A50. The only question is the price - bail out Greece and Spain with British taxpayer money, join the Euro and enter into Shengen area and UK can Bremain.

This would be probably less bad for UK than what Theresa will bring, oddly enough.

McHrozni
 
Information Analyst said:
I think she's decided to throw the dice now when Labour is in absolute disarray, rather than risk waiting until (if) they get their act back together.
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I agree, I think it is Banana republic style dirty political opportunism at it's worst, maybe coupled with an option to purge her MPs of a few annoying Bremainers.

McHrozni
 
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