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UK General Election

Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Thought I'd be in bed by midnight. Loooks like it might be a long night now
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Maybe that petrol wasn't wasted after all. ;) Lib Dems may be up to 14 seats.

I wonder if a social-media driven campaign for tactical voting had any effect and if the youth vote got off its arses too.

We'll have to wait and see, I guess.
 
Breaking News:

Exit poll suggest hung parliament, Conservative backbenchers suggest hanging Theresa May ;)

Seriously any loss of Tory seats would be a disaster for May, she basically gambled everything on a snap election to reinforce her mandate.
 
Garrison said:
Breaking News:

Exit poll suggest hung parliament, Conservative backbenchers suggest hanging Theresa May ;)

Seriously any loss of Tory seats would be a disaster for May, she basically gambled everything on a snap election to reinforce her mandate.
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A disaster for May, and for the UK as a whole.

Blithering idiots, voting for Corbyn and co. Going to end up in the worst possible position for Brexit.
 
Exit polls can be dodgy though. Robert Peston has reported that the Tory share of votes in the first two results was higher than in the exit polls. We could well still be on for a solid Tory majority.
 
Giz said:
A disaster for May, and for the UK as a whole.

Blithering idiots, voting for Corbyn and co. Going to end up in the worst possible position for Brexit.
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Premature, but this has the ring of "the electorate have spoken; the bastards!"

This election was May's call. The way each person votes is theirs. You shouldn't suggest that everyone has some duty to vote the way the Prime Minister wants to strengthen her hand in the Brexit negotiations. If Brexit was her priority she should have campaigned better or not taken the gamble in the first place. I believe I said as much at the time, that it was arrogant of her to presume an extended mandate. You should never presume the way someone will vote.
 
If the exit polls are correct and the Tories lose their majority,any chance that May might face a revolt in her own party?
 
dudalb said:
If the exit polls are correct and the Tories lose their majority,any chance that May might face a revolt in her own party?
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I think it would depend on whether she was able to form a coalition. Although it is difficult to conceive of any strong and stable coalition that she would be able to form. If they ended up out of government then I would think she is certain to be deposed.
 
angrysoba said:
Premature, but this has the ring of "the electorate have spoken; the bastards!"

This election was May's call. The way each person votes is theirs. You shouldn't suggest that everyone has some duty to vote the way the Prime Minister wants to strengthen her hand in the Brexit negotiations. If Brexit was her priority she should have campaigned better or not taken the gamble in the first place. I believe I said as much at the time, that it was arrogant of her to presume an extended mandate. You should never presume the way someone will vote.
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Oh, indeed. And I fully agree that this was May's choice and that she ran a horribly ineffectual campaign.

However, the UK is left with two large parties both supporting Brexit, yet unable to work together. It's a recipe for disaster.

(And Corbyn may be close to power. And in any event, not going anywhere. How far labor have fallen from statesmen like attlee and Blair to a septegenarian sixth-former psychopath sympathizer!
 
Giz said:
Oh, indeed. And I fully agree that this was May's choice and that she ran a horribly ineffectual campaign.

However, the UK is left with two large parties both supporting Brexit, yet unable to work together. It's a recipe for disaster.

(And Corbyn may be close to power. And in any event, not going anywhere. How far labor have fallen from statesmen like attlee and Blair to a septegenarian sixth-former psychopath sympathizer!
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It's pretty incredible to think that if the Tories don't get a majority then Corbyn could be the PM in a Lab-LibDem-ScotsNats coalition. I think that would be more surprising than a Trump presidency. If it happens, then those supposed Tories who joined Labour to vote for an unelectable Corbyn will have to take a long hard look at themselves.
 
Is this more of that "upsurge of conservative nationalism" we've been hearing so much about? :rolleyes:

Theresa wanted a second, stronger Brexit vote and got (the party) kicked in the teeth as a result of her arrogant opportunism, IMHO. Maybe Brits don't like being taken for granted? Maybe when she started sounding like Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the last couple of days she turned sane voters off?

Good on ya!
 
MikeG said:
I didn't say they were. However, those pushing for PR seldom point out that this would have possibly have meant having UKIP in power since the last election.
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Or maybe not.

The results thus far show that the UKIP vote collapses to about 25% of the previous election. You predicted yourself that would happen and that those Tory voters who shifted to UKIP over the Brexit issue would return to the Tory-fold.

Both the Tories and the Labour party have been deeply divided over the issue Brexit/Bremain, for decades. If there had been a PR system, wouldn't it have been much more likely that both parties had split over the EU issue and that here had been two Labour parties and two Tory parties instead? Which would have made the chances for UKIP to flourish small in the first place.
 
angrysoba said:
It's pretty incredible to think that if the Tories don't get a majority then Corbyn could be the PM in a Lab-LibDem-ScotsNats coalition. I think that would be more surprising than a Trump presidency. If it happens, then those supposed Tories who joined Labour to vote for an unelectable Corbyn will have to take a long hard look at themselves.
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Do you think it likely that Labour and SNP would be in a coalition? There's been a visceral hatred, especially from the Labour side as the SNP has eaten away their safe Scottish seats.

I think it's more likely that Gerry Adams tomorrow changes his mind and decides to take the oath. :)
 
ddt said:
Do you think it likely that Labour and SNP would be in a coalition? There's been a visceral hatred, especially from the Labour side as the SNP has eaten away their safe Scottish seats.

I think it's more likely that Gerry Adams tomorrow changes his mind and decides to take the oath. :)
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If Corbyn promised another Indy ref?
 
ddt said:
:D I guess he could do that, to shake off the image that he only supports bomb-throwing nationalists.
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It will be interesting to see cries about how much Corbyn hates Britain if he allows a referendum to go ahead.

But I do wonder - and this is extremely premature - if a coalition would be broadly pro-single market. Corbyn could promise that to coalition partners and to make the claim that he faithfully withdrew from the EU on accordance with the electorate's wishes.
 
angrysoba said:
It will be interesting to see cries about how much Corbyn hates Britain if he allows a referendum to go ahead.
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The Sun's headline would make their infamous "Gotcha" pale in comparison.

angrysoba said:
But I do wonder - and this is extremely premature - if a coalition would be broadly pro-single market. Corbyn could promise that to coalition partners and to make the claim that he faithfully withdrew from the EU on accordance with the electorate's wishes.
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So, basically the EEA option? I'm not sure if Corbyn himself would be happy with that. But it would basically pre-empt the SNP's main argument for a second Indy-ref. Of course, the SNP is also still waiting on the Devo-Max the Three Amigos promised last time.

I wonder if you could realize such a coalition. First of all, you'd likely need three parties. And that in a country with no political culture of coalition building, at least not on the national stage. Second, the LibDems still lick their wounds from the last ill-fated coalition. The SNP might be in a better position, because they can get clear tangible goals out of it that have been at the core of their platform for decades - more devolution, possibly second IndyRef. And third, the British constitution doesn't really give you much time to negotiate and hammer out a coalition deal.

BTW, the latest BBC forecast gives the Tories 322 seats, which would give them a majority with the UUP.
 
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