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UK General Election

If this is true (I'll check using other sources, always wise with the DM) then we can add

Attending A Rally of the Muslim Terrorist Group Al Muhajiroun Who Held Up Placards Advising Jews Should Be Gassed​

to his list of terrorist-based antics.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-addressed-rally-attended-al-Muhajiroun.html

You do know the DAILY MAIL - and the SUN - is notorious for trying to swing any election in favour of the Conservative party. It and the SUN agitated the day before the EU Referendum, urging its readers to vote, 'leave'.

Focussing on Diane Abbott as its headline today, is typical DM dirty tricks tactics. It omitted to mention that May declined to even appear on 'Woman's Hour'.

It is relying on its readers' basest, most racist and sexist instincts with it ridiculous 'scare story' that 'this woman' might be the next Home Secretary.

So she can't add up - but then lots of people are shy of figures - and she wasn't prepared in advance for the interview, being caught out asked about specifics of the police review. OK, she screwed up on the specifics. How is that headline news, when May ducked and weaved the barrage of questions about security and police, Amber Rudd was a disaster int he election debate, and yet the DM falsely reported that Rudd's performance was a great success (it was not, by any means).

I expect tomorrow's and Thursday's DAILY MAIL and SUN will have provocative headlines claiming the terrorist attacks are all Corbyn's fault. OK, so he attended a pro-Palestine rally in 2002.

What the DM doesn't say is that pro-Palestine was a popular movement. Israel did come under heavy international criticism. I recall speaking up for Israel and instantly lost dozens of followers on Twitter, so Corbyn is hardly doing anything that isn't 100% mainstream and parliamentarianist.

ETA Baron, you know perfectly well Diane Abbott did NOT say she would wipe the DNA database. It was a reference to innocent persons. Political commentator/comedian Mark Thomas campaigned for years to have his removed (he did a comic stunt protesting on Westminster's green in protest against having to write to the police for advance permission to demonstrate). He successfully had his personal details removed. It was a breach of the data protection act as he was never charged nor convicted and there was no reason for his DNA to be on a police database.

So, nothing sinister about upholding privacy and human rights.
 
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Aannnd Theresa has her flimsy pretext to start abolishing Human Rights now. I hate to say I told you so but to be honest even I thought she would leave it till after she had won.
 
You do know the DAILY MAIL - and the SUN - is notorious for trying to swing any election in favour of the Conservative party. It and the SUN agitated the day before the EU Referendum, urging its readers to vote, 'leave'.

So what? The only pertinent issue is whether it's true.

Focussing on Diane Abbott as its headline today, is typical DM dirty tricks tactics. It omitted to mention that May declined to even appear on 'Woman's Hour'.

How is it dirty tricks to report on a Shadow Home Secretary who is so toweringly incompetent that her own party even tries to stop her going on TV. Never has a politician presented so totally disorganised and outright backwards, and she is Shadow Home Secretary! And quite how all that compares to May not wanting to appear on Woman's Hour is a mystery.

It is relying on its readers' basest, most racist and sexist instincts with it ridiculous 'scare story' that 'this woman' might be the next Home Secretary.

Yeah, because May isn't a woman is she :rolleyes:

So she can't add up - but then lots of people are shy of figures - and she wasn't prepared in advance for the interview, being caught out asked about specifics of the police review.

She repeatedly screws up on practically every interview. It's not a case of forgetting figures, it's not knowing them and not having the intelligence of a five year old in attempting to fabricate them on the fly. Then it's a case of her lying outright and saying she read a report when she clearly did not.

OK, she screwed up on the specifics. How is that headline news, when May ducked and weaved the barrage of questions about security and police, Amber Rudd was a disaster int he election debate, and yet the DM falsely reported that Rudd's performance was a great success (it was not, by any means).

That's not a fact, is it? It's subjective. Corbyn consorting with a Muslim terrorist group holding placards about gassing the Jews is either a fact or it is not. Abbott forgetting all her figures, not being able to perform basic maths and lying about reading a report is a fact. Rudd's debate performance is subjective. Just to remind you, I never praised May or Rudd, so don't try and steer the argument astray.

I expect tomorrow's and Thursday's DAILY MAIL and SUN will have provocative headlines claiming the terrorist attacks are all Corbyn's fault. OK, so he attended a pro-Palestine rally in 2002.

What the DM doesn't say is that pro-Palestine was a popular movement. Israel did come under heavy international criticism. I recall speaking up for Israel and instantly lost dozens of followers on Twitter, so Corbyn is hardly doing anything that isn't 100% mainstream and parliamentarianist.

Did you read the article? You take from it that the criticism arises from attending a pro Palestine rally? Really?

ETA Baron, you know perfectly well Diane Abbott did NOT say she would wipe the DNA database. It was a reference to innocent persons.

No it was not. This is what happens when people like you believe Abbott's lies without bothering to check the facts. Her exact quote, from 2010, was:

We shouldn't even have guilty people's DNA on the database indefinitely

Political commentator/comedian Mark Thomas campaigned for years to have his removed (he did a comic stunt protesting on Westminster's green in protest against having to write to the police for advance permission to demonstrate). He successfully had his personal details removed. It was a breach of the data protection act as he was never charged nor convicted and there was no reason for his DNA to be on a police database.

I don't give a rat's ass about Mark Thomas. I don't even know who he is.

So, nothing sinister about upholding privacy and human rights.

Nope, nothing sinister in championing the rights of terrorists and criminals:

  • Calling HAMAS his friends
  • Attending a rally with a banned terrorist organisation calling for the gassing of the Jews
  • Attending an IRA memorial for terrorists living and dead
  • Eulogising Martin McGuinness as 'a great family man'
  • Calling the killing of Bin Laden a tragedy akin to 9/11
  • Opposing 'Prevent'
  • Voting against every anti-terror bill for 30 years and boasting about it
  • Asserting that drone strikes against known terrorists are 'obscene'
  • Refusing to call Islamic terrorists 'terrorists' and referring to them as 'freedom fighters'
  • Blaming UK terror attacks on the UK
  • Opposing shoot to kill (for 35 years until Monday this week)
  • Opposing Trident
  • Opposing the nuclear deterrent

And that's just Corbyn, before we even get on to Abbott and McDonnell and the rest of that sorry crowd - abolish MI5, scrap the security services, the list goes on and on.

But hey, Corbyn has called for extra bobbies on the beat so... we're safe.
 
Aannnd Theresa has her flimsy pretext to start abolishing Human Rights now. I hate to say I told you so but to be honest even I thought she would leave it till after she had won.

Another one in a tizz about the human rights of terrorists.
 
Another one in a tizz about the human rights of terrorists.

Don't you know, if we do that the terrorists will have won!!!?
(Just like when Lincoln and Churchill infringed rights, the confederacy and the axis won)


Note: I support due process, but I'm against stupid hysteria.
 
Don't you know, if we do that the terrorists will have won!!!?
(Just like when Lincoln and Churchill infringed rights, the confederacy and the axis won)


Note: I support due process, but I'm against stupid hysteria.

Human rights apply to everyone that's the point. Once you take them away everyone loses them.

If you are against stupid hysteria you will be opposed to Theresa hysterically trying to do away with human rights legislation for no good reason based on a flimsy pretext to pander to idiots and bigots?
 
Don't you know, if we do that the terrorists will have won!!!?
(Just like when Lincoln and Churchill infringed rights, the confederacy and the axis won)
You really, really think there is any comparison with recent attacks and the existential threat the UK faced in World War 2?!?

Note: I support due process, but I'm against stupid hysteria.

Now I am confused - due process is one area that she repeatedly tried to circumvent when she was Home Secretary.
 
So a snap UK election, with two terrorist attack during the campaign and polls ensuring we can't predict anything, Comey testimony and live tweets from Trump on said testimony.

Tomorrow will be an entertaining day.

McHrozni
 
Is Corbyn going to win this thing? Looks like he might be able to pull it off.
 
Is Corbyn going to win this thing? Looks like he might be able to pull it off.

No.

The absolute best he could hope for is a hung parliament and even that's a stretch requiring about 80% turnout by young voters and no waverers at the last minute.
 
Just a thought out of nowhere... if there was a hung parliament would it be possible to see someone other than Corbyn appointed PM via a coalition? Could they agree to that? I know it's highly unlikely but just wondering if it's an option.
 
So a snap UK election, with two terrorist attack during the campaign and polls ensuring we can't predict anything, Comey testimony and live tweets from Trump on said testimony.

Tomorrow will be an entertaining day.

McHrozni
My prediction, no surprises tomorrow May back in with a clear majority.
 
Just a thought out of nowhere... if there was a hung parliament would it be possible to see someone other than Corbyn appointed PM via a coalition? Could they agree to that? I know it's highly unlikely but just wondering if it's an option.
Who is PM is up to the Queen.....


And yes, it is only political party convention that the party's leader becomes PM.
 
My prediction, no surprises tomorrow May back in with a clear majority.

Which will make it far from 'entertaining' although technically we won't get the bad news till Friday anyway.

It certainly doesn't feel that we are on the verge of a historic upset. Historically upsetting maybe as the whole thing plays out and May gets unleashed.
 
My prediction, no surprises tomorrow May back in with a clear majority.

Mine too, though the two terrorist attacks ensure the election is a bit of a wildcard.

It will still be entertaining, especially the American part.

McHrozni
 
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Just a thought out of nowhere... if there was a hung parliament would it be possible to see someone other than Corbyn appointed PM via a coalition? Could they agree to that? I know it's highly unlikely but just wondering if it's an option.

Anyone can be PM. Obviously there are the usual caveats about what is done by convention and tradition etc., but basically the Pm is appointed by the Queen as the person who can 'command the confidence of the House of Commons'. By convention this is the leader of the largest party, but can, in theory at least, be anyone.

It has happened a couple of times that other options have been taken, there was a period in the 20s when there was a new government about every 5 minutes. (ok, I exaggerate, 4 different governments in about 2 years)
 

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