UK General Election

He's not wrong. Dumb maybe, but not wrong per se.

Last night he said that "Bin Laden could have been put on trial". A somewhat interesting view of the raid in Pakistan.

Corbyn has a long history of associating with and supporting "freedom fighters", and justifies it on the grounds that this dialogue is necessary for peace. However he generally only talks to one side. There are plenty of example of this, especially with the IRA.
 
Last night he said that "Bin Laden could have been put on trial". A somewhat interesting view of the raid in Pakistan.

It's a foolish proposal beyond that. How do you get something resembling an impartial jury in a case like this? Much of the evidence is classified (for good reason) or at least was obtained without a warrant, how do you even begin the prosecution?
Another problem is jurisdiction. Whatever crimes Osama did, he didn't do them on US soil. Do US courts have jurisdiction or not? You need to prove the case twice over.

I would be a legal mess par excellence before the trial could even begin.

Corbyn has a long history of associating with and supporting "freedom fighters", and justifies it on the grounds that this dialogue is necessary for peace. However he generally only talks to one side. There are plenty of example of this, especially with the IRA.

He's a typical example of what is derogatorily called a "libtard". He wants to be liberal, he really does - but he fails to realize his values are not universal among those who aren't right-wing bigots. He could do well as a leader of a minor party, but he isn't cut out to lead a country of any significance, especially not UK and especially not at a time like this, with Brexit, rising fascit Russia and everything else coming together at the same time.

The only reason why I hope he pulls off an upset is because I think Theresa May is even less capable of handling the situation.

The trend is clear, Tory lead is half what it was a fortnight ago. Polls are a lagging indicator and if there was an unusual spike in young voter registrations (a spike was reported) then it is possible he will pull off a Brexit on Conservatives. It would be poetic justice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017

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Labour needs a few back bench MPs like Corbyn, asking awkward questions and generally being a thorn in the side of the leadership. That's a valuable role, for which he was ideal. He is not the right man for his current role.
 
Likes foreign enemies so much! Opposing Trident. If nukes are a deterrent, then using them is failure in itself, without even mentioning that it would destroy the world. Ah, but I forgot - he just needs to say he'll use them.

Exactly right. That's how a deterrent works. If someone says they won't use nukes then we have no nuclear deterrent, regardless of how many nukes we have ready to launch.

Anyway he still seemed confident and rational. That is more than can be said for your virus post, which is a mere collection of hard-right shibboleths.

I didn't realise that opposing support for terrorists is a far-right thing.
 
I googled it, seems legit.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/31/what-...ama-bin-ladens-death-being-a-tragedy-5369339/

‘Bin Laden should be put on trial; not in Britain, but in the place where he organised the biggest and most terrible of his massacres, New York.

‘He should be put on trial, because a trial would be the profoundest and most eloquent statement of the difference between our values and his. He wanted to kill as many innocent people as he could.


He's not wrong. Dumb maybe, but not wrong per se.

He wasn't wrong (or right) in that statement, the objectionable part is when he said

"This was an assassination attempt, and is yet another tragedy, upon a tragedy, upon a tragedy. The World Trade Center was a tragedy, the attack on Afghanistan was a tragedy, the war in Iraq was a tragedy."​

In what world aside from the far-left world of terrorist apologists is it OK to say that the killing of a murderer responsible for the deaths of 3000 people is a 'tragedy' comparable to the very act that gave him his status? It's pretty damn clear that he's not solely referring to the lack of judicial process as 'a tragedy', but the actual death of Bin Laden.

Now if this was a one-off, and he later explained himself, you could make the argument that he mispoke and it was all a misunderstanding. Yet the evidence across 30 years, of him supporting terrorists and voting against terrorist legislation, proves beyond reasonable doubt that this is not the case.

Don't forget, this is the man who calls HAMAS his friends and pays tributes to terrorists and supported the bombing campaign in Northern Ireland* yet refused to meet with the Queen until he was pressured into it by his own party, and even then he refused to kneel as tradition expects and afterwards said that there were "some things that ought to change in our society and maybe that’s one of them." So terrorism should be encourage but a display of respect for the Queen needs to be eradicated.

And that's just him. Some of the individuals he surrounds himself with are equally committed to demolishing the security of this country, like John McDonnell who wants to scrap MI5, ban police from being armed and disband the groups that target terror suspects (as well as the usual scrapping of Trident and de-funding the military).

* It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”
The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process.
 
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I didn't realise that opposing support for terrorists is a far-right thing.
You didn't? You didn't realise that anyone who denounced the shameful Ulster regime was at once labelled a "terrorist supporter"? That anyone who complains about Zionist settlements in occupied lands is not only a "terrorist supporter" but a Holocaust perpetrator? You really don't know that? I'm finding it hard to believe you!
 
You didn't? You didn't realise that anyone who denounced the shameful Ulster regime was at once labelled a "terrorist supporter"? That anyone who complains about Zionist settlements in occupied lands is not only a "terrorist supporter" but a Holocaust perpetrator? You really don't know that? I'm finding it hard to believe you!

If you're finding it difficult to believe me then I suggest you read what I wrote, not attribute nonsense to me then scratch your head and pretend to be puzzled as to why I'd say it.
 
If you're finding it difficult to believe me then I suggest you read what I wrote, not attribute nonsense to me then scratch your head and pretend to be puzzled as to why I'd say it.
In fact I'm not in the least puzzled by what you say. It's bog standard hard right stuff. As I'm sure you are perfectly well aware.
 
He wasn't wrong (or right) in that statement, the objectionable part is when he said

"This was an assassination attempt, and is yet another tragedy, upon a tragedy, upon a tragedy. The World Trade Center was a tragedy, the attack on Afghanistan was a tragedy, the war in Iraq was a tragedy."​

In what world aside from the far-left world of terrorist apologists is it OK to say that the killing of a murderer responsible for the deaths of 3000 people is a 'tragedy' comparable to the very act that gave him his status? It's pretty damn clear that he's not solely referring to the lack of judicial process as 'a tragedy', but the actual death of Bin Laden.

Yeah, that is rather objectionable. I'd go further and call it downright nut-job.
He's the kind of liberal that gives liberalism a bad reputation.

McHrozni
 
In fact I'm not in the least puzzled by what you say. It's bog standard hard right stuff. As I'm sure you are perfectly well aware.

You've already said that and made it perfectly clear that you believe anybody who opposes terrorism is the far right.
 
Yeah, that is rather objectionable. I'd go further and call it downright nut-job.
He's the kind of liberal that gives liberalism a bad reputation.

McHrozni

That's why we should never refer to his type as liberals, it poisons the definition.
 
Many socialists I know would laugh if you called Corbyn a Liberal. Liberals would be people like Blair or Clegg or Milliband.
 
You've already said that and made it perfectly clear that you believe anybody who opposes terrorism is the far right.
I strongly oppose terrorism, and I'm not of the far right. But your post was a series of hard right shibboleths, including references to Trident, armed police, MI5 and other rightist idols; not merely terrorism.

What is most ridiculous of all is that you accuse Corbyn of terrorism, and at the same time in the same post say he is at fault for not convincing people that he is willing to kill hundreds of millions of civilians with nuclear weapons.

Talk about doublethink?
 
What is most ridiculous of all is that you accuse Corbyn of terrorism, and at the same time in the same post say he is at fault for not convincing people that he is willing to kill hundreds of millions of civilians with nuclear weapons.

That's how nuclear deterrent works. If you say you're unwilling to use it, regardless of situation, it's better not to have it. It's fine to say you'd use it only if fired upon first, but categorically claiming no use of nuclear weapons, ever, is no different from unilateral disarmament with the added downside of still having waste money on maintenance and security of the weapons.

McHrozni
 
Maybe, yeah. How would we refer to them? Libtards?

Just call them what they are - fascists. Far left fascists, far leftists or just leftists. As opposed to left-wingers, liberals or progressives, or humanists. The greatest stunt they ever pulled was to associate their fascist, divisive brand of hate mongering with liberalism.
 
I strongly oppose terrorism, and I'm not of the far right. But your post was a series of hard right shibboleths, including references to Trident, armed police, MI5 and other rightist idols; not merely terrorism.

So which of these points do you specifically see as the domain of the far right? Is it renewal of Trident? Having a limited number of armed police? Having security services? Please list them and say why.

What is most ridiculous of all is that you accuse Corbyn of terrorism, and at the same time in the same post say he is at fault for not convincing people that he is willing to kill hundreds of millions of civilians with nuclear weapons.

Talk about doublethink?

Well that's what a deterrent is. It has zero to do with terrorism and nor does it involve the deaths of anybody. Maybe you can explain your mindset, which is that it's better to tacitly permit nuclear war than attempt to avert it.
 
So which of these points do you specifically see as the domain of the far right? Is it renewal of Trident? Having a limited number of armed police? Having security services? Please list them and say why.
I see this as the domain of the far right.
Just call them what they are - fascists. Far left fascists, far leftists or just leftists. As opposed to left-wingers, liberals or progressives, or humanists. The greatest stunt they ever pulled was to associate their fascist, divisive brand of hate mongering with liberalism.
As well as a terrorist, presumably Corbyn is a fascist, eh? By the way, whom do you see as a "liberal"? You haven't left much space for that in the political spectrum.
 
I see this as the domain of the far right.

Please answer my question:

So which of these points do you specifically see as the domain of the far right? Is it renewal of Trident? Having a limited number of armed police? Having security services? Please list them and say why.​
 
Please answer my question:

So which of these points do you specifically see as the domain of the far right? Is it renewal of Trident? Having a limited number of armed police? Having security services? Please list them and say why.​
When you become a schoolmaster and I am in your class, you can give me posts like that to answer. Until then I will write what I like.
 

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