UK: 42 Day detention without charge

[Sunstealer]

Whilst this has somewhat detracted (sadly) from the OP's original debate may I enquire as to why David Davis should actually contest his seat. I'm not privy to Conservative local party political procedure, but is it not up to the local party to select a candidate in the case of a by-election? Could the local party decide to advocate someone else as the official party candidate and therefore leave David Davis without a Conservative mandate effectively making him as an independent?

Whilst I don't expect this to happen in a million years could it actually happen under party rules?

Perhaps the David Davis issue should be split from the OP.

 

[Darat]

...snip...

I'm curious Darat, what would you consider to be an act of principle over this matter?

Surprisingly - what I've read Ann Widdecombe did.

 

[Macoy]

... The Bobbies (gawd, I might be in trouble with that word ) ...

Nowadays we like to use the more affectionate term... "The Filth". It's been popularised by that larger-than-life figure Sir Ian Blair, (no relation), Metropolitan Police Commissioner, whose abdication of any form of responsibilty for the dreadful killing of Jean-Charles de Menendez so endeared him to the general public. Dogged support for this silly man from the then Mayor of London, Mr Kenneth Livingstone led inevitably to him losing the mayoral election to "Bullingdon Bojo," Tory candidate with no less than twenty political minders to try to ensure that he doesn't say or do something stupid. Fat chance.

Davis is a chancer, just like the rest of those tory expense-grabbing arrogant bring-back-national-service hang-em-high hypocrites. Gordon Brown has now permitted the tories to appear more left wing than the labour party, and has destroyed optimism in the lives of many.

Or did our Tony do that?

 

[richardm]

Whilst I don't expect this to happen in a million years could it actually happen under party rules?

Theoretically, it could. But I'm sure Davis is very, very secure in his local party.

 

[Darat]

His constituency chairman was in on it - apparently knowing before Cameron.

 

[Lothian]

It looks like the re-elelction might not be unopposed. I heard this morning that there could be a super soaraway candidate in Kelvin Mackenzie

 

[Darat]

Oh dear, oh dear.

 

[Lothian]

Oh dear, oh dear.

It is a shame that you don’t care about the twin issues; safety of this country and the detention of terrorists. When it comes to big issues readers of the Sun recognise a cracking pair.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

We will have to wait and see whether the Moster Raving Loonies will stand in order to get a sensible candidate...

 

[Darat]

Be interesting to see if the Conservatives field a candidate....

 

[volatile]

McKenzie's essential stance is "If you've got nothing to fear, then you shouldn't worry about these measures (and others like them)".

What an absolutely facile argument. I hope he polls zero votes.

 

[sophia8]

BBC News:

The former editor, who now writes a column for The Sun, told BBC Two's This Week he had been promised financial support by the newspaper's proprietor Rupert Murdoch.

Oh dear.....

 

[Mashuna]

McKenzie's essential stance is "If you've got nothing to fear, then you shouldn't worry about these measures (and others like them)".

What an absolutely facile argument. I hope he polls zero votes.

Maybe we could lock up McKenzie for 42 days, just to check that his is a principled stand for security. Or just for fun.

 

[Lothian]

McKenzie's essential stance is "If you've got nothing to fear, then you shouldn't worry about these measures (and others like them)".

What an absolutely facile argument. I hope he polls zero votes.

If Davis’s constituency was in Liverpool or Scotland your wish could have come true.

 

[Darat]

I'm almost wishing he would stand to show what a stupid farce Davis has created.

I could understand DD making a principled stand if he had resigned a few weeks ago to create more debate about the 42-day crap but afterwards...

 

[volatile]

Maybe we could lock up McKenzie for 42 days, just to check that his is a principled stand for security. Or just for fun.

Now that's an idea I can get behind!

 

[Darat]

I'm sorry but I can't.






42 days ain't long enough!

 

[Mashuna]

I'm sorry but I can't.






42 days ain't long enough!

That's ok, 42 days is just how much time is needed to fabricate discover the evidence.

 

[Darat]

We have the necessary evidence!

 

[richardm]

Quite interesting that MacKenzie is prepared to stand with Murdoch's backing. I guess this means that The Sun isn't ready to start supporting the Tories just yet, which must be encouraging for Brown.

Edit:

I asked earlier on if this tactic had been tried before. According to the BBC:
George Lansbury, 1912
The Labour MP for Tower Hamlets, Bow and Bromley resigned to fight a by-election on a platform of votes for women. The Labour Party disapproved of his resignation and Lansbury lost the contest to the Conservative candidate by 731 votes.

Northern Ireland, 1986
All 15 Ulster unionist MPs resigned and provoked by-elections in protest over the Anglo-Irish Agreement. 14 of them were re-elected, many with increased majorities, but they ultimately failed to influence Government policy.

It's interesting to note that in both cases re-election was not guaranteed.