RoboTimbo
Hostile Nanobacon
Of course it isn't my opinion. What a silly thing for you to say. If you have compelling evidence for ET visiting the Earth, bring it out. I'm sure others besides myself would like to see it. If you actually mean that you have a mere belief in ET visiting the Earth and want to retrofit any data to fit that, that's fine. Just don't expect me to accept your low standards of evidence for it. Until you can present extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim that ET is visiting us, it remains an unfounded, and dismissedRramjet said:That is your opinion, and of course you are entitled to it. However, just because it is your opinion (a mere belief of yours) does not make it a correct opinion. It also constitutes an unfounded assertion. Now you would never propose an unfounded assertion would you RoboT…?There has never been compelling evidence for ET to have visited the Earth.
No, you've simply misunderstood the lesson from Campeche. You speak about intelligent control and leap to the proposition that ET is visiting the Earth. It is certainly proper to ask you which planet the UFOs that surrounded the military plane at Campeche came from then, isn't it? Based on the anecdotal account, they exhibited intelligent control and that's your standard. I'm not sure if you're deliberately misunderstanding or genuinely confused about it.You are simply making up false and misleading statements as you go. For those truly interested in the Campeche incident, where some radar UFOs sparked a search by the aircrew for anything to explain those anomalous contacts - and primed for anything that might provide an explanation, they subsequently mistook “oil well fires” for those contacts - then all the relevant information about the case can be found in the following:At Campeche, the creduloids' Waterloo, UFOs displayed the characteristics of intelligent control.
The Campeche Incident (5 Mar 2004)
(http://brumac.8k.com/MexicanDOD5mar04/)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlX7vvYXzxA)
Ah, I see where you are making your mistake now. You simply continue to repeat your unfounded assertions that, based on someone's anecdote of intelligent control, that UFOs must be alien piloted vehicles. Which planet did the ones at Campeche come from? Or if you could describe what the aliens look like, we could see if the associated beings match that description. I'm sure you wouldn't do it the other way around, labeling purported beings as alien without knowing what aliens look like, right? Sorry, your unfounded belief in aliens is dismissed as being without evidence.You see, this is your basic problem in a nutshell. I have presented evidence and logical argument to show why the ET hypothesis might be considered plausible (There is nothing in our knowledge of physics or technology that would rule it out. There is a high probability that earth is not the only life-bearing planet. Many UFO observations display the characteristics of intelligent control and many others also have associated beings). Against that you have posited the mere unfounded assertion that it is not a plausible hypothesis. I have asked you before: What part of claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence do you not understand?No, you are incorrect again, ET is not a plausible explanation, no matter how much you wish it to be.
No, you put forth your belief system which I have systematically refuted. You don't like the refutations because they upset your belief system. This has been your main problem throughout the thread. Your low standards for evidence allow you to believe that ET is visiting us. And then you outright lie when you say that I haven't shown evidence. I've asked you not to misrepresent my position before. I'm asking you again.Here again is your problem writ large. When I claimed, in relation to the topic of UFOs, that you merely had a faith-based belief about them – I was basing that contention on the evidence that you have only ever put forward mere unfounded assertions in relation to your beliefs about them. When pressed on the issue to present the rationale, the reasons, the evidence or the logical argument to support your assertions – you never do! Thus it is reasonable to assume your beliefs are faith-based – and no different to any beliefs that are put forward for the support of any religion.I'm beginning to see that you engage in this pattern of behavior and it is very dishonest. Please don't continue the same behavior.
Pleas for mercy...? What the...? Sorry, you'll still have to back up your propositions with evidence. As Sagan so rightly said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."Thus I will continue to call your beliefs out for what they are – and the only way you will ever change that is to begin to present evidence in support of your unfounded assertions (your pleas for mercy just do not cut it with me I am afraid), just like I am going to call out the following statement from you for what it is…
Thank you for demonstrating that you lie about me. I state right there that I'm not proposing anything. I've stated it multiple times. While HOAX fits all the evidence, it isn't the only explanation. I'm not sure why you are confused about that also. You continue to believe the answer is aliens, I will certainly allow you to do so. I won't be held hostage to your low standards of evidence, though.I'm not proposing any explanations whatever.
…A big, fat lie.
…and the evidence in support of that contention? See the following:
…the letter has never been ascertained to be genuine, we are only left with HOAX.So in this case, the most likely explanation is HOAX.I only proposed that HOAX is the most likely explanation…
I've already shown the evidence that you are proposing aliens is the answer out of one side of your mouth while not making any propositions at all out of the other. That is your lie. I am not proposing HOAX as the answer for Venezuela. I can't make it more clear for you.Now given that, demonstrably (that is backed by evidence), all you are doing in this thread is presenting unfounded assertions and lies (and I strongly suspect that is your sole purpose here), I don’t feel it necessary to engage with you any further.
"Agenda" is the mot juste here. But it's already been explained to you why you don't need to show evidence for UFOs. We know UFOs exist. What you haven't shown is evidence for your UFAOs. Why did you drop the "aliens" part of what you were presenting research for? You may want to reread your OP.Instead I propose to move on with my agenda – that is to present the research and the evidence for UFOs.
Now, back to Delphos and the other parts you cut out of my post so you wouldn't have to reply to them.
Where do you think your version of a process of elimination went so horribly wrong? Was it because your version of research is fatally flawed or is it because you were trying to deliberately mislead? You never have explained his other hoaxes, the "wolf girl" he purportedly saw or the "psychic powers" he purportedly gained. Why will you not discuss those?
As for Venezuela, you've claimed much detail in the purported letter yet when asked for those details, they aren't really there. What was the specific name of the hospital? Leaving that critical detail out is good evidence of HOAXING. Where in specific detail was the house? Leaving out that critical detail is evidence of HOAXING. Note that I'm not proposing HOAX is the answer, just that it fits the evidence. Also note that I've given you reasons for HOAX being the answer, whether you like it or not. You lie when you say that I haven't shown evidence for HOAX. Reread this paragraph if you feel that you will be confused about it in the future.
When will you be doing that barest bit of research into the purported letter in the Venezuela case?
Thank you for posting more evidence of you lying when you say that you aren't proposing ET as the answer.The following is a list of essential reference works for anyone who may be interested in the topic of UFOs – they provide much evidence and research concerning UFOs and commentary on both.
Keyhoe, D. (1950) The Flying Saucers Are Real. Fawcett Publications. New York.
(http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/5883)
Ruppelt, E. J. (1956) The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects. Doubleday. New York.
(http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17346)
(http://static.lulu.com/items/volume_10/199000/199898/3/print/ReportOnUFOs.pdf)
NICAP (1969) The Truth About the Condon Report. The U.F.O. Investigator. Vol. IV, No. 9. pp 3-5.
(http://www.cohenufo.org/nicapcondon.htm)
Huyghe, P., Trumbore, H. (1996) The Field Guide To Extraterrestrials. Avon Books. New York.
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/038078128X/?tag=idealbiz-20)
Clarke, J. (1998) The UFO Encyclopedia: The Phenomenon from the Beginning. Omnigraphics Inc.
(http://www.amazon.com/UFO-Encyclopedia-Phenomenon-Beginning-Set/dp/0780800974)
Review (http://www.strangemag.com/reviews/ufoencyclopedia.html)
Hoyt, D. (2000) UFOs, Social Intelligence, and the Condon Committee. Falls Church, Virginia.
(http://www.narcap.org/commentary/ufocritique.pdf)
Stacy, D., Huyghe, P., Trumbore, H. (2000) The Field Guide To UFOs. Harper Collins
(http://www.harpercollins.com/books/Field-Guide-Ufos/?isbn=9780380802654) Review
(http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1448.htm)
Roe, T. (2004) Aviation Safety in America: Under-Reporting Bias of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and Recommended Solutions
(http://www.narcap.org/reports/008/TR8Bias1.htm)
Vallee, J. (2008) Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults. Daily Grail Publishing.
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/33478326/Jacques-Vallee-Messengers-of-Deception)
Summary (http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Vallee_06.pdf)
I recommend the above reference works for anyone who is genuinely interested in the subject of UFOs. Together they provide key insights into not only UFOs as unexplained phenomena, but how we arrived at the cultural zeitgeist that we experience today concerning UFO phenomena.
I, for one, won't be held hostage to your low standard of evidence.