UBL one of 6,000 Superclass?

[LastChild]

http://www.salon.com/books/review/2008/03/14/superclass/

Rothkopf announces that he and his researchers have identified "just over 6,000" people who match his definition of the superclass...

The pope is a member of the superclass, as is Osama bin Laden, who can undoubtedly claim influence over current international affairs, even if he sometimes lives in a cave. The Russian illegal arms dealer Viktor "Merchant of Death" Bout is a member, as are Rupert Murdoch and Bill Clinton, who, while no longer commander in chief of the world's remaining superpower, nevertheless heads the Clinton Global Intiative, a brand new dynamo in the area of international philanthropy.

 

[NikZeta302]

Well yeah there is global elite that are trying to run "everything" but they're all fighting for the pie and not working with each other, or to put it bluntly history is nothing more than a bunch of rich guys trying to kill each other off and lower class members dying off is mostly collateral damage.

 

[Confuseling]

And Hitler was a genius.

Any point?

 

[The Doc]

Usually when people post an article extract and a link they follow it up with some kind of opinion/comment...

 

[Disbelief]

Usually when people post an article extract and a link they follow it up with some kind of opinion/comment...

Why would LC change his MO after 2,000 posts?

 

[gumboot]

It seems to me this "superclass" is merely a case of identifying a number of individuals who have significant influence over people globally. This recognises that certain individuals have more impact on our world than others. I don't think it implies that these people are all members of some sort of cohesive unified group.

 

[Par]

I don’t think that this constitutes a conspiracy theory.

 

[LastChild]

In this book Bin Laden is considered one of the 6,000 which could lead some to ponder whether the rest of the 6,000 would deem UBL untouchable since they would probably like to think of themselves as untouchable.

Fulfilling government roles with mechanisms" that "lack the full traditional power, authority or mandates of governments."

Is Rothkopf implying 9/11 was just a mechanism?

 

[Brainache]

In this book Bin Laden is considered one of the 6,000 which could lead some to ponder whether the rest of the 6,000 would deem UBL untouchable since they would probably like to think of themselves as untouchable.

Fulfilling government roles with mechanisms" that "lack the full traditional power, authority or mandates of governments."

Is Rothkopf implying 9/11 was just a mechanism?

Are you saying that these 6000 all work together and never try to bump off other members of their little gang?

 

[LastChild]

Are you saying that these 6000 all work together and never try to bump off other members of their little gang?

No but it also wouldn't mean that UBL operates alone and gets no help avoiding capture. I mean the author is saying UBL is part of an elite group. Elite from what?

And we all already know of an American elite family the Bin Ladens have been life long friends with.

 

[gumboot]

No but it also wouldn't mean that UBL operates alone and gets no help avoiding capture. I mean the author is saying UBL is part of an elite group. Elite from what?

He's not saying they're part of an elite group, he's saying they're individually one of the "power elite" - that is someone who has a lot of power that can influence the shape of our world.

They are elite from people like you or me who have very little power with which to influence the shape of our world.

Essentially he's saying the actions of these 6,000 people are what determines the shape of our world. He's not suggesting there's any direct connection between these 6,000 people.

To use an analogy, plate tectonics and wind erosion both determine the shape of our geography, but tectonics and wind are not related.

 

[RedIbis]

No but it also wouldn't mean that UBL operates alone and gets no help avoiding capture. I mean the author is saying UBL is part of an elite group. Elite from what?

And we all already know of an American elite family the Bin Ladens have been life long friends with.

It's probably just another coincidence that Bush Sr. spoke at the annual Carlysle mtg on 9/10/01, which just happened to be attended by OBL's brother.

 

[Finnegan]

It's probably just another coincidence that Bush Sr. spoke at the annual Carlysle mtg on 9/10/01, which just happened to be attended by OBL's brother.

Shafig bin Laden had a vested interest in the Carlyle Group,
of course he was in attendance. What are you claiming?

 

[LastChild]

He's not saying they're part of an elite group, he's saying they're individually one of the "power elite" - that is someone who has a lot of power that can influence the shape of our world.

Not part of a group? What's the definition of a class?

class (kls)
n.
1. A set, collection, group, or configuration containing members regarded as having certain attributes or traits in common; a kind or category.

They are elite from people like you or me who have very little power with which
to influence the shape of our world.

Yes and like us if we were from the same country (or not even) we might vote the same way on issues without knowing each other. We might even take issue with someone of our own class being thrown in prison for doing something representative of that class.

Essentially he's saying the actions of these 6,000 people are what determines the shape of our world. He's not suggesting there's any direct connection between these 6,000 people.

Oh he more then suggests connections between them...

Rothkopf's credible, if not especially original argument in "Superclass" is that over the past several decades a "global elite" has emerged whose connections to each other have become more significant than their ties to their home nations and governments. They schmooze regularly at conferences like Davos, go to the same schools, serve together on corporate and nonprofit boards, and above all do business with each other constantly -- to the point that they have become a kind of culture in themselves, a "class without a country," as Rothkopf puts it. Furthermore, these people are "the new leadership class for our era."

To use an analogy, plate tectonics and wind erosion both determine the shape of our geography, but tectonics and wind are not related.

That's a contradiction. You just said they both determine the shape of our geography. It that sense they are connected.

 

[Finnegan]

Why not buy the book?

 

[Par]

To use an analogy, plate tectonics and wind erosion both determine the shape of our geography, but tectonics and wind are not related.

That's a contradiction. You just said they both determine the shape of our geography. It that sense they are connected.

Oh I see. Genghis Khan and Charles Manson both killed people. Therefore, Genghis Khan and Charles Manson are connected. Sure. Why not?

 

[RedIbis]

Shafig bin Laden had a vested interest in the Carlyle Group,
of course he was in attendance. What are you claiming?

I'm claiming that members of the Bush family and Bin Laden family were part of the same private equity firm.

Imagine for a moment if Barack Obama's father was a partner in the same firm as a Bin Laden. Do you think anyone would question that?

 

[Par]

It's probably just another coincidence that Bush Sr. spoke at the annual Carlysle mtg on 9/10/01, which just happened to be attended by OBL's brother.

You must be making use of that well-known epistemological principle: People don’t give or attend talks unless they are members of a global shadow government.

 

[Par]

I'm claiming that members of the Bush family and Bin Laden family were part of the same private equity firm. Imagine for a moment if Barack Obama's father was a partner in the same firm as a Bin Laden. Do you think anyone would question that?

Perhaps. But what does whether or not anyone questions it have to do with that it actually means?

 

[LastChild]

I'm claiming that members of the Bush family and Bin Laden family were part of the same private equity firm.

Imagine for a moment if Barack Obama's father was a partner in the same firm as a Bin Laden. Do you think anyone would question that?

Yeah lol. We already know what some cowards would claim if Barack Obama had even a remote connection to anyone with questionable values.