And, yet, when you challenged Obsequious to back up his statement "If you can find somewhere here where anyone has claimed that all people are fat because they're lazy, feel free to show me." So, he has to restrict his criticisms to actual people/statements here, but you don't.
He doesn't have to do anything I tell him. If he can present an example of someone saying that all people are fat, he is free to do so. I notice that he hasn't done so. Neither have you.
In any case, you should probably come back with those goalposts. You accused me of using a straw man argument because the attitude I complained about, which no-one has actually denied exists, has not been explicitly stated on this thread. Clearly it is not a straw man, since general attitudes are a perfectly reasonable thing to bring up in a thread about a general problem of obesity across a large country (and indeed, the world). Given that I never accused Obsequious of a straw man, anything I may have said to him is utterly irrelevant to this point. You were wrong in accusing me of using one. Either admit it or just drop it, don't bother trying to dodge the point.
Kinda my point. The "tiny" number of fat people that aren't "only fat because they're lazy or greedy or ignorant", aren't even worth a disclaimer, according to you. So, "all fat people are only fat because they're lazy or greedy or ignorant", is pretty close to your actual position.
No. A small proportion (maybe something like 5-10%) is not none. You can dodge around and throw out all the logical fallacies you like, but it's not going to change what I have actually said.
you are wrong in so many many points.
And yet nothing you say actually refutes anything I have said, although you do throw in plenty of wrong of your own.
typical "just eat less" nonsense, what is even more important is what you eat not only the quantity. it doesnt help me to eat only one doubble whopper instead of a tripple whopper when i need more vegetables or fruits.
Actually, no. What you eat is certainly important, but claiming that eating less won't help is just plain nonsense. Of course eating a double instead of a tripple will help.
and what is even more important to people that are used to eat much, when they want to eat less, is to eat more often. instead of 3 times a day, eat 5 times aday, but only small portions, and the 2 extra meals are not cake or a burger, but an apple or a yogurt.
Actually, that's pretty much the opposite of the recommendation. If you eat lots of small meals, or constantly snack, you never reach satiety and end up eating a lot more than if you restrict yourself to a few large meals. You may well be better off snacking on healthy, low calorie food than stuffing yourself with a few unhealthy meals, but you'd be much better of again just having a few healthy meals instead.
when you eat the right things, you may end up eating even more while loosing wight. I know that from experiance.
This is probably because you're using "more" in the wrong sense. It is not the total mass of food you put in your mouth that is important, it is the amount of calories in it (and the proportion of calories you can actually absorb). When people say to eat less, they don't just mean to eat less mass, since that would be silly, they mean to eat less calories. You may well eat more total mass if you eat healthy food since it will often contain a lot of fibre, cellulose and various other things which bulk out food but provide very little nutrition.
a did it already, and know i can do it again, but dont feel like.
As I have already said, I have absolutely no problem with people who choose to be the way they are, or with those who don't necessarily choose but accept it anyway. It is only those who try to blame a condition of their own making on something or someone else that I have a problem with.
but i know alot people that really do try hard and eat balanced and not to much and make no progress.
And you can't see the contradiction here? If they really are eating a balanced diet and not eating too much, then they will lose weight. If they are trying to lose weight and not succeeding then they must be eating too much, by definition.
You all have given me a lot of food for thought. (These puns are just ghastly I know.)
