U.S. Kills 40 At Wedding

Kodiak said:
Where's your vaunted skepticism? Other reports say that there was no food, no band or other music, and no decorations. How do you know that its the military that is lying?

"But video that APTN shot a day after the attack shows fragments of musical instruments, pots and pans and brightly colored beddings used for celebrations, scattered around the bombed out tent."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...e=7&u=/ap/20040524/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack
^Link to video footage from wedding on that page.

20040524LON111.jpg

20040524LON110.jpg

TV Image shows the body of an unidentified man in a vehicle in the remote desert area near Mogr el-Deeb, Iraq, 5 miles (8 km) away from the Syrian border, Wednesday, May 19, 2004. An attack on a wedding party that survivors say was by US planes early Wednesday, killed up to 45 people, most of them women and children. The man was seen to be playing the keyboard in Tuesday's wedding festivities footage and was reportedly killed in the attack . (AP Photo / APTN)
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news...iraq+wedding&w=ap+or+reuters&max=8&first=&fs=
 
I'm waiting for people to seize upon the fact that the brand-name of the speakers used at the weddings was 'Shams'.
 
demon said:
AP: Video Shows Iraq Wedding Celebration
By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI
Associated Press Writer
May 23, 2004

[...]
"There was no evidence of a wedding: no decorations, no musical instruments found, no large quantities of food or leftover servings one would expect from a wedding celebration," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said Saturday. "There may have been some kind of celebration. Bad people have celebrations, too."

In light of recent reports, I'm just waiting for someone to say "bad people have weddings, too."
 
"Bad people have celebrations, too."

Arrogance or what?!

And among these Bad People are Bad Babies?

No, let's not be sarcastic here. What Kimmitt's saying is this: If you find there are babies - good, bad or indifferent babies - at a Bad People's Party, you can blow them up with a clear conscience. Cos how else you gonna get those Bad People? Plus: If they weren't Bad People, they wouldn't hold parties where their babies might get collaterally damaged. (How callous and inhuman those Bad People are. And cowardly, too.)

Remember also the "Bush doctrine" (let us draw a discreet veil over the probability that Bush thinks "doctrine" is the present participle of "doctor"), viz. if one is Murcan, one can pre-empt thangs which might be a turrst threat at some point in the future. Who knows what them tykes might have turned out into had they not been so freedomifically fragged?

This is a well-known trick of Bin Laden's - midget jihadists. Syria and Iran have had a hand in their training. Also, the CIA knows Saddam had an elite force of Ba'athist babies trained for resistance activities.
Not to mention the projectile vomiting, which often exceed the allowed range stipulated by the UN. Also toxic sludge is produced regularly out of the rear end smelling of noxious ammonia which is known to be harmful to the lungs.

B*ll*cks - bloody murdering hypocritical faux-pious Mr Kimmitt Moral High Ground **** ****...
 
demon said:
"Bad people have celebrations, too."

Arrogance or what?!

And among these Bad People are Bad Babies?

No, let's not be sarcastic here. What Kimmitt's saying is this: If you find there are babies - good, bad or indifferent babies - at a Bad People's Party, you can blow them up with a clear conscience. Cos how else you gonna get those Bad People? Plus: If they weren't Bad People, they wouldn't hold parties where their babies might get collaterally damaged. (How callous and inhuman those Bad People are. And cowardly, too.)

Remember also the "Bush doctrine" (let us draw a discreet veil over the probability that Bush thinks "doctrine" is the present participle of "doctor"), viz. if one is Murcan, one can pre-empt thangs which might be a turrst threat at some point in the future. Who knows what them tykes might have turned out into had they not been so freedomifically fragged?

This is a well-known trick of Bin Laden's - midget jihadists. Syria and Iran have had a hand in their training. Also, the CIA knows Saddam had an elite force of Ba'athist babies trained for resistance activities.
Not to mention the projectile vomiting, which often exceed the allowed range stipulated by the UN. Also toxic sludge is produced regularly out of the rear end smelling of noxious ammonia which is known to be harmful to the lungs.

B*ll*cks - bloody murdering hypocritical faux-pious Mr Kimmitt Moral High Ground **** ****...

But no kids were killed in the attack! The general told me! So, those kids being buried must have died from... Completely non-occupation causes... They choked on felafel or something...

When the famous photo of Kim Phuc was published, apparently General Westmoreland said that she was burnt on a hibachi (as per Washington Post 19/01/1986- no link available).
 
shemp said:


And where, pray tell, do you get this? Source please? Or is that fishy smell coming from your decayed brain?
From your own link!!
However, an AP reporter obtained names of at least 10 children who relatives said had died. Bodies of five of them were filmed by APTN when the survivors took them to Ramadi for burial Wednesday. Iraqi officials said at least 13 children were killed. Mourners say the bride and groom were killed.
The graves shown to the AP reporters were at least 250 miles away, in Ramadi.
 
Mr Manifesto said:


But no kids were killed in the attack! The general told me! So, those kids being buried must have died from... Completely non-occupation causes... They choked on felafel or something...
Except that somehow, the dead kids ended up 250 miles away. Must have been a hell of an explosion!
 
WildCat said:

Except that somehow, the dead kids ended up 250 miles away. Must have been a hell of an explosion!

You will recall that sanctions have lead to hospital equipment which could be turned into 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' (such as X-ray machines and parts for same) being banned in Iraq. Don't forget, as well, the number of hospitals that were looted after the fall of Saddam. With this in mind, where was the nearest hospital with the facilities for dealing with the injured at the wedding?

Oh! You're a forensics expert now! :jaw:
 
Mr Manifesto said:


You will recall that sanctions have lead to hospital equipment which could be turned into 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' (such as X-ray machines and parts for same) being banned in Iraq. Don't forget, as well, the number of hospitals that were looted after the fall of Saddam. With this in mind, where was the nearest hospital with the facilities for dealing with the injured at the wedding?

Oh! You're a forensics expert now! :jaw:
But there were medical personnel on the scene - US soldiers! It is standard operating procedure to treat the wounded, even the enemy. They don't just leave them there.

And forensics are for the dead. They go to the morgue, not the hospital. And I don't have to be an expert to know that.
 
WildCat said:

But there were medical personnel on the scene - US soldiers! It is standard operating procedure to treat the wounded, even the enemy. They don't just leave them there.

Just like it's SOP for US soldiers to treat prisoners with dignity and respect, right? ;)


And forensics are for the dead. They go to the morgue, not the hospital. And I don't have to be an expert to know that.

But you must be a forensics expert! You know where these people died- at the site where they were killed. From what you have written, it's simply not possible that they were wounded, then transported to a hospital.
 
WildCat said:

Except that somehow, the dead kids ended up 250 miles away. Must have been a hell of an explosion!
Not nearly as big as the explosions that keed sending our guys nearly 10,000 miles away.

It's an odd detail but the notion that the tribe likes to bury their dead in a preselected area doesn't seem unreasonable to me since we show similar predispositions to the placement of our dead.

"From the mosques of Ramadi volunteers had been called to dig at the graveyard of the tribe, on the southern outskirts of the city."
http://zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=5572&sectionID=15

This next story provides a little more detail on the tribe:

But an Associated Press reporter in the Ramadi area, at least 275 miles east of Mogr el-Deeb, was able to identify at least 10 of the bodies as those of children.

At the Bou Fahad cemetery outside Ramadi, where the tribe is based, each of the 28 fresh graves contain one to three corpses, mostly of mothers and their young children.

Relatives said they include those of 2-year-old Kholood and 1-year-old Anoud, daughters of Amal Rikad, who was killed; of 2-year-old Raad and 1-year-old Ra'ed — whose headless body was found near his house — sons of Fatima Madhi, who was killed; of Saad, 10, Faisal, 7, Anoud, 6, Fasila, 5, Kholood, 4, and Inad, 3 — children of Mohammed and Morifa Rikad, who were killed.

There also are photo images of dead children, but it was not possible to determine if those victims were already accounted for by relatives.

Bou Fahad tribesmen denied there were foreign fighters among their community. They consider the desolate border area part of their territory and follow their goats, sheep and cattle there to graze. In the springtime they leave spacious homes in Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, and roam the desert.

Smuggling livestock into Syria is also part of a herdsman's life, although no one in the tribe acknowledged that.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-05-21-wedding-iraq_x.htm

If the tribe is engaging some big propoganda scam and doesn't normally bury it's dead in Ramadi regardless of where they are killed it should be easy for the CPA to debunk the story. So far all I've read about is Kimmit showing pictures of guns, ammo, batteries, a pass port and some white powder, none of which prooves jack to me (though I'd like to see the pictures if anyones seen them).
 
quote:
Turnaround
Senor Shows Human Side, Is Whisked Away by Security Contractors
By RON JACOBS

(Baghdad Green Zone, May 20, 2004)

In a surprising turnaround, Coalition spokesman Dan "the man" Senor admitted to media gathered inside the Green Zone Thursday that American helicopters had knowingly attacked a wedding party 15 miles from the Syrian border and southwest of the town of Qusaiba. Earlier, the Coalition had denied the charges, claiming that the attack was against "enemy fighters."

"There were no enemy fighters in the area," said Senor. "Our soldiers knew that the only people in the village were Iraqi civilians. They went ahead and attacked anyhow. It's a form of terror we use often."

This acknowledgement by Senor confirmed what local Iraqis had been telling Arab and European media since they were notified of the attack. Television outlets broadcast film taken at the scene, showing a truck heaped with bloody bodies, many of them wrapped in blankets. Several of the bodies shown were those of children. Until Senor's statement, US officials were insisting that the dead were all "foreign fighters." To prove their point, these officials produced weapons and passports they claimed they recovered from the scene.

"We bombed a safe house," said General Abizaid "There were nothing but foreign fighters in the area. They deserved what they got." He went on to describe the village as one known to be friendly to the resistance against the US occupation.

This version of events was challenged by doctors and nurses at nearby Ramadi hospital, who told media that forty-five people had been killed, including ten women and fifteen children. Doctors said most of the children were between 2 and 5 years old. Independent media reporters were able to obtain photocopies of the passports the Coalition claims they found in the rubble of the houses destroyed in the attack. None of the descriptions or photos matched any of the dead or wounded. When confronted with this, Senor admitted that there were no foreign fighters in the village.

"There were no foreign fighters in the village," said Senor. "In fact, there are no foreign fighters in Iraq except for those fighting with the Coalition. Just like the WMD, the whole foreign fighters helping out the insurgency thing is a lie."

This admission was followed by a quarter-hour of rapid-fire questioning by the assembled media. Most of these questions centered on the acknowledgement by Senor that the administration invaded Iraq knowing that Iraq possessed no WMD. Senor fielded the questions, occasionally wiping away a tear.

"You know," he said. "I was willing to go along with this whole invasion and occupation because I truly believed that Saddam Hussein was a bad guy who really was a threat to the United States. I told my bosses that I would tell you guys in the media anything that they wanted me to tell them. WMD, Al-Queda, anthrax, no prison abuse or only isolated prisoner abuse, whatever. But when I saw those dead kids killed for no reason in their sleepI don't know, something just cracked inside of me. I couldn't justify it. I mean, there's no way those kids were foreign fighters and, if they were, then we really shouldn't be here if babies are picking up weapons to fight us."

Reporters wrote Senor's remarks down, incredulous at what they were hearing. Never in the collective memory of all the media gathered had any government spokesman been so candid. Senor continued, switching to the topic of Israel.

"As for Israel," he began. "They have no intention of stopping their assault on the Palestinians. They want to dominate the Middle East with the United States. It's all part of a big plan to" At this point, two unidentified security contractors dressed entirely in black jumpsuits similar to those worn by SWAT teams in the US grabbed Senor. He was led away at gunpoint. Chaos ensued among the press corps as they raced to file the story. While attempting to send their reports via the internet, all connections were mysteriously shut down. This reporter was able to relay his report via a separate wireless connection maintained by independent supporters.

Senor's current whereabouts are unknown, although unnamed sources at Abu Gharaib prison in Baghdad have told this reporter and other media that he is being held there and will be shipped to Camp X-Ray at Gauntanamo Bay soon.

The White House and Pentagon have denied Senor's statements in separate press releases. The White House went further, suggesting that Senor had either lost his mind or forgotten who was signing his paychecks.
http://www.counterpunch.com/jacobs05222004.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wow, he sounds as untrustworthy as the bloody foreigners;)
 

Back
Top Bottom