Typical Trump Supporters

Isn't the issue about what someone considers "better"? Can't you talk about the morality of those goals? For instance repealing" Obamacare" or in other words removing medical treatment for millions of USA citizens?

Sure, you can talk about the morality of those goals, but the issue isn't so easy to settle. A colleague claims his premium and deductible have tripled since the passage of Obamacare and he feels that he's being victimized by being forced to subsidize those who "won't" work. Of course, it's hard to say with certainty why his premium and deductible have increased so much, and we can surely discuss the factual claim that some people just don't want to work, but the question of whether(T the working middle class has an obligation to subsidize health care for the poor is a harder nut to crack.

I tend to think that decent folk can disagree on this issue. (To be sure, wasting congressional time trying to repeal Obamacare for mere political points, knowing that it will not be repealed, that's a whole other issue.)
 
Premiums have increased under Obamacare because Obamacare sets minimum standards that companies exceeded prior to its implementation.

Seeing an opportunity to exercise their greed, they now offer their employees the minimum standards. They saw a loophole and took advantage of it.
 
Premiums have increased under Obamacare because Obamacare sets minimum standards that companies exceeded prior to its implementation.

Seeing an opportunity to exercise their greed, they now offer their employees the minimum standards. They saw a loophole and took advantage of it.

The hell with the health insurers. Let the government insure everyone. Also it's time to rein in the pharmaceutical companies and their exorbitant price gouging.
 
Isn't the issue about what someone considers "better"? Can't you talk about the morality of those goals? For instance repealing" Obamacare" or in other words removing medical treatment for millions of USA citizens?

Those people ain't "real" citizens. They're just the other people. To make America better, those people need to die off... Make America Great Again!!
 
The hell with the health insurers. Let the government insure everyone.
Careful... that might not necessarily work as well as you might think.

Canada has a 'single payer' system (i.e. all taxpayer funded, for certain aspects of our helth care). And for the most part, it sucks. The commonwealth fund did a ranking of 11 western health care systems, and Canada was second last. The only one that did worse was the U.S., and the U.S. even beat Canada in a couple of areas.

The best health care systems in the world tend to be the ones that mix public and private funding.
Also it's time to rein in the pharmaceutical companies and their exorbitant price gouging.
Again, one of these complex issues that a simple answer (i.e. "rein them in") might be counter productive.

Granted, you can probably find examples where drug prices were probably raised unfairly (e.g. Shkreli raising the price of an HIV drug from $13.50 to $750). But, drug development is a risky business, with many failures, risks of lawsuits, and high development costs. Plus, you have generics, which means that drug manufacturers have a very limited time to recoup their development costs (which means high short-term prices).

If you try to restrict costs too much, you may end up removing the incentive to create new cures.

From: http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/34/2/245.abstract
...returns (profits on drugs have fallen sharply since then, with those for the 2005–09 cohort being very slightly negative and, on average, failing to recoup research and development and other costs. If this level of diminished returns persists, we believe that the rewards for innovation will not be sufficient for pharmaceutical manufacturers to maintain the historical rates of investments needed to sustain biomedical innovation.

I want to stress that I'm not excusing the drug companies from all their mistakes. They were rightly condemned for bribing certain doctors for example. Just that trying to control their profits may backfire. There are no easy answers.
 
Canada has a 'single payer' system (i.e. all taxpayer funded, for certain aspects of our helth care). And for the most part, it sucks. The commonwealth fund did a ranking of 11 western health care systems, and Canada was second last. The only one that did worse was the U.S., and the U.S. even beat Canada in a couple of areas.
So if we adopt the Canadian system, we will be taking on the very worst health care system and it would still be a marginal improvement.

Sounds to me like we should aim for single payer and find a happy compromise somewhere in the middle.
 
So if we adopt the Canadian system, we will be taking on the very worst health care system and it would still be a marginal improvement.

Sounds to me like we should aim for single payer and find a happy compromise somewhere in the middle.

I say this again: the ACA is a horrible mess of Health Care reform. Screwed up, poorly implemented. And it was STILL better than what was in place before.

The USA has the distinct advantage of being able to see what other countries have done, and to use those successes to help avoid the problems so as to craft a system that best for the USA.

It will likely never happen because of mouth breathers that scream 'SOCIALISM!', and then mutter 'I've got mine, screw you'.
 
Basket of deplorables.

Police say they arrested five people at Trump's night rally Monday in Asheville, and as of publishing have warrants out for two more people.

Police plan to arrest Richard Campbell of Edisto Island, South Carolina for assault on a female.

That female is 69-year-old Shirley Teter.

...

"I said you better learn to speak Russian, and I said the first two words are going to be, ha ha. He stopped in his tracks, and he turned around and just cold-cocked me," Teter said.

She was punched in the face.

She says she fell on her oxygen tank and has sore ribs, a sore jaw, and cut her elbow. She later went to the hospital and is thankful she did not break any bones.
 
Just because these kinds of things are often committed by Trump supporters doesn't mean it is typical........

It is very similar to what Hillary supporters do.....



Plz Ken, why did you leave the sarcasm emoji out? This season I can't tell who believes what any more...
 
Hate Crimes Against American Muslims Most Since Post-9/11 Era

Some scholars believe that the violent backlash against American Muslims is driven not only by the string of terrorist attacks in Europe and the United States that began early last year, but also by the political vitriol from candidates like Donald J. Trump, who has called for a ban on immigration by Muslims and a national registry of Muslims in the United States.

“We’re seeing these stereotypes and derogative statements become part of the political discourse,” said Brian Levin, the director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at the San Bernardino campus. “The bottom line is we’re talking about a significant increase in these types of hate crimes.”

He said that the frequency of anti-Muslim violence appeared to have increased immediately after some of Mr. Trump’s most incendiary comments.
 
The hell with the health insurers. Let the government insure everyone. Also it's time to rein in the pharmaceutical companies and their exorbitant price gouging.

This is not possible without scrapping patent law and the FDA. FDA makes it hard to file a process for manufacture in short time. You make your "cheaper pill" and it needs a 6 month stability study.

New drugs (unlike epipens) can be priced at any price. And monoclonal antibodies, say an Alzheimer cure, will be costly to manufacture.
 
Typical Trump supporters blame the entire Middle East mess on Clinton. Not on Bush, not on the civil wars breaking out all over the place, nope, it's all Clinton's fault.

They just said so on Fox News.

And, they believe Clinton called half the public deplorable. That cannot be a mistake, they have to know she said half of Trump's supporters, not all of them and not half the country. But, nope, Trump supporters purposefully lie about what Clinton said, trying their very best to equate the comment to Romney's 47% takers comment.

She looked tired on the plane news conference, therefore she's completely exhausted. Yep, that's what typical Trump supporters believe.
 
What they also seem to believe is that the president (and in this case secretary of state) is all-powerful and therefore all-culpabale if America is perfect.
 
I'm wondering if any anti-Trump people thought that was the slightest bit funny. I may be biased, but I didn't actually find any humor in it. The Daily Show used to be a comedy show, right?

Its not easy to be funny when referring to the train wreck that America will be if Trump gets in.

This is serious.
 

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