Merged Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero

Cleon said:
In this case, "all they desire" is the freedom of assembly and worship.

Curse those dastardly Muslims!
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Cleon, aren't you aware of the economic situation we're in? Religious tolerance is so rare that the price has gone through the roof! Who can afford it at a time like this?
 
Oliver said:
Most of you are Americans.
Most of you love the fact that religion is protected by the Constitution.

So why in the World would anyone who loves religious freedom want to disallow the Mosque at Ground Zero ... And based on what law/Constitutional amendment?

:boggled::confused:
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leftysergeant said:
You seem to be suffering from the illusion that the hatred of the Park 51 project is based on logic.
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Bolding mine.

The Constitution regulates government action, not private action. Individuals can protest and rant all they like. The Constitution only comes into play if the government (municipal, state, or federal) take official action.

The opposition is a moral wrong, not a legal wrong.
 
KingMerv00 said:
The Constitution regulates government action, not private action. Individuals can protest and rant all they like. The Constitution only comes into play if the government (municipal, state, or federal) take official action.
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I think his question is consistent with this.
So why in the World would anyone who loves religious freedom want to disallow the Mosque at Ground Zero ... And based on what law
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I don't think he was saying, "under what law are they allowed to protest it;" I think he was saying, "under what law can it be disallowed" (the purpose of the protests). So the First Amendment is an issue here, because the assumption is that government action would be the basis of disallowing the building.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Cleon, aren't you aware of the economic situation we're in? Religious tolerance is so rare that the price has gone through the roof! Who can afford it at a time like this?
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Well, to quote Erasmus of Rotterdam, "If I have money, I buy religious tolerance. If anything is left over, I buy food and clothers."
 
The Ground Zero Mosque already exists

FACT: there is already a mosque at the Cordoba site. its been used as a mosque for some time now.

on local today, you can see hundreds of Muslims coming out of the mosque after Friday Sabbath prayers.

most folks in the USA and even NY, do not know that there is already a mosque there, or that Muslims already pray there, in the hundreds.

so, now that we KNOW that there is already a mosque there, why can't they update, improve, and expand the thing?
 
amb said:
Speaks volumes about the whole fiasco doesn't it? The muslims are playing on the goodwill of tolerant people to allow them all they desire, just like they have done so elsewhere in the world.
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It is regrettable but some people will actually fall for the old 'throw enough mud and some will stick' ploy.

Perpetuate the myth, eh?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's my feeling that the best approach, if I were them, would be to make it known very loudly that their intent was completely distorted by a few horrible people. I'd make it clear they are our our side. They are not the people those few horrible people are making them out to be.
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I do think this is necessary. As far as I can tell, they've been rather quiet about the whole thing. Rauf also needs to remind people about his past, moderate endeavors. These things, I believe, would force their opponents to make increasingly outlandish accusations in an attempt to maintain outrage.

As the accusations become more outlandish, more and more people will break free of the mod. (Kind of like radioactive decay...)

Thunder said:
It would be nice if the Cordoba folks would state WHY they wanted a Muslim community center/mosque sooo close to the WTC.
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Kestrel said:
The message was aired rather well by this New York Times article published last December.
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Yes, but that was all before this mess began. It's been buried under an avalanche.

amb said:
Perhaps people would be much more tolerant if muslims would try a little harder to integrate like most other immigrants to the West have over the centuries.
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Why are you giving Spanish-only-speaking immigrants a pass, and not Muslims?
 
Why is this in the Non-USA forum? Why is this a separat thread and not a reply in one of the existing Park51 threads?
 
Ladewig said:
Amb, I see you missed my question, so I'll ask it again.




Let me ask you a hypothetical question. Let's assume that you are now the president of the U.S. and at the same time, the legislature has said, "we have no idea what to do in this time of national crisis and therefore we grant the president unlimited power to make new laws on his own and to strike down current laws (including those in the Constitution) with no interference from the judicial branch of the federal government."

What would you do, Amb?
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For the sake of the majority of US citizens [last poll by Times magazine has seven out of ten who don't want this mosque in Park51 area] and to stop a potential civil war on our hands this mosque will not be allowed to proceed.
That's what I'd do! :boxedin:
 
Well whoever is responsible is doing a great job judging by the latest polls.
 
amb said:
For the sake of the majority of US citizens [last poll by Times magazine has seven out of ten who don't want this mosque in Park51 area] and to stop a potential civil war on our hands this mosque will not be allowed to proceed.
That's what I'd do! :boxedin:
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Thank you for the answer. I had already inferred that that was your position. I was trying to ask what you might do about this part:

Amb said:
In the muslim world, a moderate believes you can take the West down without violence, while radicals believe it can only be done by jihad. That's the only difference between them.
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If you are convinced that the Muslims in America are working to "take down the West," what would you do, in the described hypothetical, to prevent them from succeeding?
 
amb said:
For the sake of the majority of US citizens [last poll by Times magazine has seven out of ten who don't want this mosque in Park51 area] and to stop a potential civil war on our hands this mosque will not be allowed to proceed.
That's what I'd do! :boxedin:
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Isn't this just the same old US civil war that has never been resolved and that now provides useful theatrical relief from the collapsing economy?
 
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