Merged Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero

amb said:
In the muslim world, a moderate believes you can take the West down without violence, while radicals believe it can only be done by jihad. That's the only difference between them.
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do u apply such logic to all religions, or just Muslims?
 
Well no surprise here, the right wing blogosphere and/or Fox news has gone through all the footage of Imam Abdul Rauf they could find and cherry picked and distorted a couple clips to continue stirring up racism in America.

Rauf explains what some Muslims think and that translates into "what Rauf thinks". Rauf notes that some people in the Arab world believe the US initiated sanctions against Iraq resulted in thousands of children dying and that translates into, "Rauf thinks the US is worse than al Qaeda".

Shock! Gretchen Carlson is shocked!
 
Ground Zero Mosque

Most of you are Americans.
Most of you love the fact that religion is protected by the Constitution.

So why in the World would anyone who loves religious freedom want to disallow the Mosque at Ground Zero ... And based on what law/Constitutional amendment?

:boggled::confused:
 
Oliver said:
Most of you are Americans.
Most of you love the fact that religion is protected by the Constitution.

So why in the World would anyone who loves religious freedom want to disallow the Mosque at Ground Zero ... And based on what law/Constitutional amendment?
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You seem to be suffering from the illusion that the hatred of the Park 51 project is based on logic.
 
I fear that you missed my post, Amb.

amb said:
In the muslim world, a moderate believes you can take the West down without violence, while radicals believe it can only be done by jihad. That's the only difference between them.

Ladewig said:
Let me ask you a hypothetical question. Let's assume that you are now the president of the U.S. and at the same time, Congress has said, "we have no idea what to do in this time of national crisis and therefore we grant the president unlimited power to make new laws on his own and to strike down current laws (including any part of the Constitution) with no interference from the judicial branch of the federal government."

What would you do, Amb?
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amb said:
This is paranoia too I presume! :cool:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/...harris/2010/08/silence_is_not_moderation.html
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No, what Sam Harris is doing is being intellectually dishonest. All one has to do is look at the CV of the imam to realize that in the past 15 years he's been basically saying the hypothetical paragraph Harris suggests and more.

amb said:
As is this..........................http://www.scpr.org/programs/patt-morrison/2010/08/18/ground-zero-mosque/
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Yes, that's paranoia mixed with fear.

ETA: proof of Sam Harris being a lying liar.
 
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Oliver said:
Most of you are Americans.
Most of you love the fact that religion is protected by the Constitution.

So why in the World would anyone who loves religious freedom want to disallow the Mosque at Ground Zero ... And based on what law/Constitutional amendment?

:boggled::confused:
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Sadly, Oliver, there's a quite a few people who believe that everyone is equal. ....so long as they are god-ferring, moral driven, church going people who have the same skin color and agree with a set of political beliefs. And those people are loud. They are the squeaky door.

To me, this debate is disgusting. It should have never existed and is only here because some politicians and media "news" stations want to play on the emotions of the gullible. :(
 
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GreNME said:
No, what Sam Harris is doing is being intellectually dishonest. All one has to do is look at the CV of the imam to realize that in the past 15 years he's been basically saying the hypothetical paragraph Harris suggests and more.



Yes, that's paranoia mixed with fear.

ETA: proof of Sam Harris being a lying liar.
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Why has he refused to disclose if he is willing to take donations from Iran for his mosque?
 
amb said:
Why has he refused to disclose if he is willing to take donations from Iran for his mosque?
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Good question. I'm awaiting his response. His silence on this issue speaks volumes. Why hasn't he addressed this vitally important question?

Very similar situation to Glenn Beck, who on equally important and substantive questions, refused to even address the claim that he raped and murdered a girl in 1990. His refusal to do so - to many - was a tacit admission he comitted the crime. Much like here: Rauf's refusal is a tacit admission he's in league with the New Hitler, Ahmadinejad.

Beck, Rauf - when will you step to the plate and speak to these very concerning questions??
 
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Speaks volumes about the whole fiasco doesn't it? The muslims are playing on the goodwill of tolerant people to allow them all they desire, just like they have done so elsewhere in the world.
 
amb said:
Speaks volumes about the whole fiasco doesn't it? The muslims are playing on the goodwill of tolerant people to allow them all they desire, just like they have done so elsewhere in the world.
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Praktik said:
Wooosh!!!
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Indeed.

@ amb.

Do you truly see no contradiction in defending against allegations of prejudice by beginning your defense with the phrase, "The muslims are ..."?
 
amb said:
Speaks volumes about the whole fiasco doesn't it? The muslims are playing on the goodwill of tolerant people to allow them all they desire, just like they have done so elsewhere in the world.
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In this case, "all they desire" is the freedom of assembly and worship.

Curse those dastardly Muslims!
 
amb said:
Why has he refused to disclose if he is willing to take donations from Iran for his mosque?
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Why has Sarah Palin refused to disclose if she's willing to take money from China for her political actions? Why has Rupert Murdoch refused to disclose if he is willing to take money from North Korea to fund his Fox News Channel? And most similar to what you're asking: why doesn't Obama disclose his "long-form birth certificate" to the country?

The answer to each of them is that poisoning the well with bad faith assumptions does not make a valid argument.
 
amb said:
In the muslim world, a moderate believes you can take the West down without violence, while radicals believe it can only be done by jihad. That's the only difference between them.
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Amb, I see you missed my question, so I'll ask it again.


amb said:
In the muslim world, a moderate believes you can take the West down without violence, while radicals believe it can only be done by jihad. That's the only difference between them.
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Let me ask you a hypothetical question. Let's assume that you are now the president of the U.S. and at the same time, the legislature has said, "we have no idea what to do in this time of national crisis and therefore we grant the president unlimited power to make new laws on his own and to strike down current laws (including those in the Constitution) with no interference from the judicial branch of the federal government."

What would you do, Amb?
 
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