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Two Abortion Doctors Charged With Murder

sadhatter said:
Something seems weird about this bit to me.

Sorry for the disturbing train of thought , but...

If you did this, why on earth wouldn't you destroy the evidence? I mean i can think of reasons, the person just being a sick **** being one of them, or insane, and wanting to keep them for some odd purpose, but if these guys were providing abortions on the fly and off the books, it would seem to me they would be somewhat concerned about getting found out. And a freezer full of dead babies would be a bit of a clue in regards to this. And i mean, all dead baby jokes aside, how hard would it have been for the doctors to destroy them?

Something just seems up with this, in my opinion either the doctor in question is evil and stunningly stupid or lazy. Or this is a case of he possibly did some illegal things, and maybe had a legitimate reason to have the fetus , and it is getting promoted as them finding a bunch of frozen babies.

I just have trouble believing someone who is in sound mental health ( albeit evil, no question.) , let alone someone with the brains to go through medical school would make such a giant glaring error if they were doing something sketchy. And if they were evil enough to do this, i can't wrap my brain around how they wouldn't be callous enough to just do any number of things to get rid of the bodies.
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There is precedent for this. Last year Dr. Kermit Gosnel.... who I'm sure has done much worst..... was baseically caught with the same evidence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-assisted-House-Horrors-abortion-doctor.html
 
kerikiwi said:
Can you give the post numbers? I can't see any example of Andrew Wiggin's using an appeal to emotion to which you were responding.
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As near as I can tell, Caper is accusing me of whatever fallacy is the opposite of appeal to emotion. I think I'm being accused of applying too much thought and logic to a matter they feel is best addressed by emotion. This would explain their insertion of comments about dead babies into a discussion of medical and legal procedure. I can handle that accusation. In fact, I'll wear it proudly. Yes, I confess. I applied thought and logic to a matter someone else found so disgusting that their contribution was to throw shock imagery into the discussion.
 
shadron said:
Guys (and I think I'm using the term on purpose), I've just checked out four different websites, all are agreed that a full term pregnancy is all of 40 weeks in length.

A 36 week pregnancy is premature by roughly a month. It is certainly viable, thanks to modern medicine, but likely will have to start out with time in the ICU. "Premature" is defined as less than 37 weeks.
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So, what is a baby born at 38 weeks?
 
Professor Yaffle said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12233616
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When i said stupidity, i wasn't saying it sarcastically, simply stating that it boggles my mind that someone could actually be so stupid. I mean, i have an old standby phrase " Thankfully criminals usually arn't smart." but it astounds me someone with enough brains to be a doctor , even an incompetent and unethical one, couldn't find an extra two cells to rub together to realize that he should probably destroy the fetus.

I mean, there was a serial killer, back in the 50's i think who simply stacked bodies in his apartment, and then became a drunk in order to deal with the smell. He was caught, and that makes sense to me, the guy was insane, (and by all reports, very lazy. Though for the life of me i can't remember the gent's name.) who knows what voices were telling him to do what. But when someone of at least above average intellect, does essentially the same thing, it just seems, weird. But the world is full of weird stuff.
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
As near as I can tell, Caper is accusing me of whatever fallacy is the opposite of appeal to emotion. I think I'm being accused of applying too much thought and logic to a matter they feel is best addressed by emotion. This would explain their insertion of comments about dead babies into a discussion of medical and legal procedure. I can handle that accusation. In fact, I'll wear it proudly. Yes, I confess. I applied thought and logic to a matter someone else found so disgusting that their contribution was to throw shock imagery into the discussion.
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That makes sense. I did wonder about his wording...
Now stop using reason and thought and logic...
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
As near as I can tell, Caper is accusing me of whatever fallacy is the opposite of appeal to emotion. I think I'm being accused of applying too much thought and logic to a matter they feel is best addressed by emotion. This would explain their insertion of comments about dead babies into a discussion of medical and legal procedure. I can handle that accusation. In fact, I'll wear it proudly. Yes, I confess. I applied thought and logic to a matter someone else found so disgusting that their contribution was to throw shock imagery into the discussion.
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It's not really shock imagery...... It's the imagery.... It's what happens. There is no pretty way to kill a 36 month old fetus.
 
ZirconBlue said:
So, what is a baby born at 38 weeks?
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Full-term. Just as at 39 weeks and 40 weeks, as well as 41 and 42 weeks, which also happens.


This isn't a black-and-white designation. My younger son was born at 36 weeks, but he was not classified as premature, because his lungs had matured and he didn't need a ventilator/respirator or any assistance breathing, though his liver was not birth-mature, and he stayed in hospital 19 days after birth until his bilirubin levels fell into place. I don't recall him ever being in the NICU. He was in the regular infant nursery the whole time.

Pregnancy term is counted from the first day of your last period. If you can't remember exactly when that was, and you guess, you have a decent chance of guessing wrong, by days or even a couple of weeks.

So a "due-date" actually means "our best guess." ;)

Other factors are used to enable an estimation of fetal maturity. The size of the head is one factor. The development of the lungs is another. The position in the uterus is yet another. By date is probably the least reliable of all the factors, but it still counts for a little something.

My son was very probably not born at 36 weeks. It was more likely 37 or even 38, because his lungs had matured. My date was simply off, on a factor of a couple of weeks. He was small: 5 lbs, 10 oz. but a lot of birth weight is put on in those last 2 to 4 weeks. So yes, he was likely a little early. But in spite of being born at "36 weeks," he wasn't technically premature.

We consider it a good thing, too.


My due date was April 1. :eye-poppi
 
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ZirconBlue said:
So, what is a baby born at 38 weeks?
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Not quite full term, perhaps?

Of course, slingblade is right. It's very hard tio determine when the period starts and 2 weeks one way or another probably is not an issue. But 40 weeks is the median, not 37 or 38.
 
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http://www.baby2see.com/development/week37.html

Week Thirty Seven: Pregnancy is considered 'at term'

You are 37 weeks pregnant. (fetal age 35 weeks)
Typically, baby now measures 19.5 inches (50 cm) from the head to the heel.
Baby weighs up to 7 pounds or 3 kilograms.
The head diameter is over 3.5 inches (9cm).
The water could break at any time.
If it does happen, see a doctor immediately.





Other sites viewed bear the same result.
 
Pregnancy is considered "at term" when gestation attains 37 complete weeks but is less than 42 (between 259 and 294 days since LMP). Events before completion of 37 weeks (259 days) are considered preterm; from week 42 (294 days) events are considered postterm.[14] When a pregnancy exceeds 42 weeks (294 days), the risk of complications for both the woman and the fetus increases significantly.[11][15] Therefore, in an otherwise uncomplicated pregnancy, obstetricians usually prefer to induce labour at some stage between 41 and 42 weeks.[16][17]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy#Duration

ETA: Jinx Slingblade
 
Caper said:
There is no pretty way to kill a 36 month old fetus.
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I'd say there's nothing pretty at all about a 36-month-old fetus, and I would bet any woman carrying one would agree. ;)
 
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