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Turkish Coup being a NWO Hoax! (Oh god, no...)

Everything is.

Absolutely everything that happens is for the benefit of the CT Aluminumni, that's how important they are.
 
Everything is.

Absolutely everything that happens is for the benefit of the CT Aluminumni, that's how important they are.

Yes I dropped an open tin of cat food this morning - that was all part of sinister Illumine plan too!
 
Why look for another conspiracy when a conspiracy is already evident? I'd like to see the coup that doesn't involve a conspiracy.
 
Like Erdogan, Hitler was elected to power, but that was partly due to economic conditions at the time. It has been said that the UK is an elective dictatorship.

I find it rather alarming that Erdogan now has the powers of mass surveillance in Turkey, rather like what happens in America and Russia. You could argue that lawyers and journalists and politicians and bankers should be bugged and have their phones tapped, but I think bugging children and teachers can be disturbing to the mind. There is no judicial oversight and the buggers are immune from criticism on the grounds of keeping us safe. It's the analysis of mass surveillance which is at fault.

Erdogan should focus on priorities liked the extreme Islam of Isis rather than a war of aggression against the Kurds and Iran and Syria. This is partly the fault of the CIA, who wrongly decide policy in America. Crooked Hillary should never have tried to topple Saddam Hussein if all she was interested in was bombing Syria and Iran on the orders of Israel.

I prefer to live in a country where it is still possible to sack and fire a government.
 
Why look for another conspiracy when a conspiracy is already evident? I'd like to see the coup that doesn't involve a conspiracy.

Because they don't mention the stuff CTers like to hear such as:

1. Da Evil Jooz
2. Evil Gobmint
3. New World Order plans
4. New Age plans (sounds like some sort of hippie takeover tbh...)
5. Illuminuty
6. Freemasons
7. Skull & Bones
8. MIBs
9. Opus Dei
10. The Order Of The Templar Knights
11. Evil Hillary Clinton (Crooked, Killer (this is supossed to be a CT that only Republicans believe, yet the Laura Bush thing...), Lizard, Pawn Of Satan (I saw some Religious CTers whining about this one on Youpoop))
12. Evil Bush (George, not Laura)
13. Majestic-12
14. Dystopian plans
15. Evil NASA
16. Obama Hussein Bin Laden, The Tranny Lizard
17. Witchcraft
18. The Devil and his minion Lucifer
19. Fallen Angels
20. "Them"
21. CIA
22. MI6
23. FBI
24. Saudi-Arabia (Them being Muslim Joos (Yeah, I don't get this one either. I have my own theory, but it contains NSFW...))
25. Transhumanists taking over the world (in the future)
26. One word: ALIENS!
27. Utopia (Which is the opposite of the Dystopian World (kind of...))
28. MOSSAD Agency (Sekreet police force from Da Joos)
29. Evil Bill
30. Psy-Ops

I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

Like Erdogan, Hitler was elected to power, but that was partly due to economic conditions at the time. It has been said that the UK is an elective dictatorship.

I find it rather alarming that Erdogan now has the powers of mass surveillance in Turkey, rather like what happens in America and Russia. You could argue that lawyers and journalists and politicians and bankers should be bugged and have their phones tapped, but I think bugging children and teachers can be disturbing to the mind. There is no judicial oversight and the buggers are immune from criticism on the grounds of keeping us safe. It's the analysis of mass surveillance which is at fault.

Erdogan should focus on priorities liked the extreme Islam of Isis rather than a war of aggression against the Kurds and Iran and Syria. This is partly the fault of the CIA, who wrongly decide policy in America. Crooked Hillary should never have tried to topple Saddam Hussein if all she was interested in was bombing Syria and Iran on the orders of Israel.

I prefer to live in a country where it is still possible to sack and fire a government.

Also, this post. :tinfoil

I do wonder which country sacks his own government in Henri's world...?
 
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Come on. It may have been partly a hoax. But entirely an Erdogan and his top military officials hoax. I wouldn´t even call it a full hoax, because there were certainly many military officials that thought it was happening and FOUGHT.

But a NWO hoax? Any other global conspiracy? Nonsense.


Much more possible it was a hoax that involved few people, mostly only top generals of the army, which Erdogan had been replacing with people loyal to him.


The coup was so VERY convenient to Erdogan. He will now have the perfect excuse to abuse even more his powers and turn Turkey into a real dictatorship. It was already happening before the coup. It will speed the process.


Does the fact the coup was convenient proves anything? Absolutely not.

But there are many suspicious things:

1 - Turkey has an history of armed coups. The Turkish Army has a constitutional DUTY to protect secularist democracy. Unlike many military coups worldwide, where the army takes control, in Turkey, the army, who follows Ataturk's secularist directives, when it smells a president/prime minister keen on turning the country onto a dictatorship or worse, a religious Sharia Law country, does the coup and SOON there are new elections.

Now, how come an army with so many military coups and experience with that completely failed in this coup?

2 - the army was too divided. How come such a minority thought they had any chance for this coup to succeed?

3 - an army coup works like this: either you succeed or you are executed. To gamble on such few chances means either they were desperate or THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD MORE CHANCES

4 - less than 12 hours after the coup, 3000 JUDGES unrelated to the coup were arrested. This means this list was ALREADY PREPARED BEFORE THE COUP
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2...mmissaire-europeen-critique-la-repression.php
L'arrestation rapide d'un grand nombre de magistrats après l'échec du putsch de vendredi soir en Turquie laisse penser que le gouvernement disposait, au préalable, d'une liste à cette fin, a estimé lundi le commissaire européen à l'Elargissement, Johannes Hahn.

The quick arrest of 3000 judges let us think Erdogan had a list before, Johannes Hahn states.

5 - the military who performed the coup did it while Erdogan was on vacations. Before the Coup even began, Erdogan was already hiding on unknown location.

6 - The military never arrested or killed the president, nor top ministers, nor anything. Their major feat was taking control of bridges on Istambul... Egyptians, Turkish themselves, many other people who live in countries where themselves or parents experienced military coups, were all skeptical of this complete ineptitude of Turkish army to perform a successful coup.

7 - it seems two F16s chased Erdogan's airplane. Erdogan's airplane never left Turkish airspace. It flew there for hours. The F16s had locked on Erdogan's plane. They never fired. Which is a complete mistery.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-plot-insight-idUSKCN0ZX0Q9

At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights

...

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.

"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.

"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

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What I am SURE:

1 - it was not organized by the NWO, Illuminatti, USA or any other nonsense like that

2 - it was not STAGED. As a complete false flag operation

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Question: why did the coup perpetrators acted with such a small part of the military? Either they thought they had a majority of the military or they were desperate, like knowing Erdogan was preparing something nasty (like some measures that would endanger Turkish secular democracy, although it would be prudent to WAIT Erdogan to do such, as it would gather even more support for their cause among the rest of the military)


I think they thought they had more military support than they really had. They probably were betrayed by other generals. Generals that assured they would take part on the coup but instead warned Erdogan.

Another possibility is that these generals warned Erdogan long before the coup. Because while the precise TIMING of coups is not known even by the top eschelon of the coup perpetrators (they are just kept on warning), the discontent and coup planning take longer.



Erdogan is smart, no doubt about it. A big possibility is that he was warned with a few weeks advance by loyal generals and that he outmaneuvered the opposing generals, by taking control of the coup without them knowing.

How exactly? By having the generals loyal to him DECIDE the time of the coup and start it. Probably these generals would already organize the coup with important responsabilities to them. Like going after the president, ministers, etc, taking control of important locations. Everyone else disloyal to Erdogan would move and would be exposed. Then the loyal generals withdrawl. Their objectives, important to the coup, remain unfulfilled. A few other loyal generals do not even know of the plot and remain on Erdogan's side the entire time. You can´t have a "conspiracy" with many people knowing of the plan. Only Erdogan, a few top advisors and a few generals can know of it. It´s important to have part of the army REALLY fighting for Erdogan instead of part of it just withdrawing. Those generals don´t need to even know it.

Because this plan would result in the death of soldies of the generals fighting against the coup perpetrators. Most generals would NOT agree with forces fighting under them to suffer casualties just so you can root out anti-Erdogan people.


The most SANE thing to do would be to arrest the traitor generals BEFORE anything happened. At least the ones you knew were planning the coup.



So why do this whole thing?

1 - to root out all anti-Erdogan military. Arresting the known perpetrators before the coup would leave many hiding among the ranks still.

2 - to accelerate the proccess of implementing an islamic Sharia dictatorship in Turkey. Erdogan is doing it slowly. By having a real coup happen, one that you KNOW to have very high chances of failing because you are "partly" in control, provides Erdogan with the best opportunity to accelerate his plan.

Yes, it was somewhat a gamble. Many things could go wrong. But he knew he had the upper hand and several things in his favor. And the outcome would be better to him than finishing the coup before it even started.


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Why did the F16s never fired at Erdogan's airplane?
Probably they were from generals who PRETENDED to be on the Coup's side, but were actually loyal to Erdogan. They were told to scramble and follow Erdogan's airplane but wait orders from their superiors to fire. Remember I said probably some generals took in their hands some targets/objectives, to fool the real coup perpetrators? Yes, probably this is an case of that. The coup perpetrators could know the F16s were going after Erdogan's airplane. Erdogan's airplane was also visible the entire time on some internet flight websites. So many generals thought THAT part of the coup was in good hands. "Erdogan is doomed. Let's follow along with the coup". The order to take down Erdogan never came.



Why was there real fighting with hundreds killed, many smashed by tanks, heads blown by chopper firing, etc?
Again, because it was a real coup. This was NOT staged. Some generals might have pretended they would take part then withdrew, but most were there for real. Probably at some point they discovered about the treason inside treason (if you consider upholding the Constitution and Ataturk's plan is really treason. One could reason that the Coup was actually being LOYAL to Turkey and the Constitution, albeit not to Erdogan)

But they were already exposed. And cornered. They knew the consequences. Either they fought and tried to finish the coup with as little support as they had, or they were done.




Noticed in all of this, Erdogan's EVILNESS. I am for real in using this word. We can be sure Erdogan knew only a part of the army was taking part in the coup. This was known a few hours after the coup by news broadcasters worldwide.

And yet, instead of using the army to fight the army, Erdogan made a public speech on social media urging CITIZENS, his supporters, to take on arms and fight the coup. His supporters are among the islamist conservative class of Turkey. Mosques re-broadcast his urge. No wonder you had so many civilians killed. Erdogan could have avoided civilians being killed in ANY case. He did not. Getting civilians killed against the "evil coup plotters" score him more points in his project of power.

CTs often think ANY president is capable of that. Sorry, I don´t buy that. But certainly, a FEW of them are capable of that. Hitler, Stalin... Erdogan is certainly capable of that, based on his historic.
 
Because they don't mention the stuff CTers like to hear such as:

1. Da Evil Jooz
2. Evil Gobmint
3. New World Order plans
4. New Age plans (sounds like some sort of hippie takeover tbh...)
5. Illuminuty
6. Freemasons
7. Skull & Bones
8. MIBs
9. Opus Dei
10. The Order Of The Templar Knights
11. Evil Hillary Clinton (Crooked, Killer (this is supossed to be a CT that only Republicans believe, yet the Laura Bush thing...), Lizard, Pawn Of Satan (I saw some Religious CTers whining about this one on Youpoop))
12. Evil Bush (George, not Laura)
13. Majestic-12
14. Dystopian plans
15. Evil NASA
16. Obama Hussein Bin Laden, The Tranny Lizard
17. Witchcraft
18. The Devil and his minion Lucifer
19. Fallen Angels
20. "Them"
21. CIA
22. MI6
23. FBI
24. Saudi-Arabia (Them being Muslim Joos (Yeah, I don't get this one either. I have my own theory, but it contains NSFW...))
25. Transhumanists taking over the world (in the future)
26. One word: ALIENS!
27. Utopia (Which is the opposite of the Dystopian World (kind of...))
28. MOSSAD Agency (Sekreet police force from Da Joos)
29. Evil Bill
30. Psy-Ops

I could go on and on, but you get the picture.
You left out one other important thing they like to hear about the most:

31. THEMSELVES!
 
I prefer to live in a country where it is still possible to sack and fire a government.

Brazil recently did that (not completed yet, final impeachment trial has not happened yet), but leftists worldwide like Glenn Greenwald still called it a coup :rolleyes:
 
Why look for another conspiracy when a conspiracy is already evident? I'd like to see the coup that doesn't involve a conspiracy.

a coup involving a single military commander?

I think a conspiracy must involve other people knowing and taking part. People below a single commander, following orders, would not be really "part of the conspiracy".

in the real world however, not sure this ever happened. Therefore all coups involve a conspiracy with a different number of people, in one way or the other.


I guess it would also not be a conspiracy if right from the start you have declared enemies with open intentions.


Example: Fidel Castro take over of Cuba. It's considered a coup, but it was guerrilla warfare for a long time before they took power in the coup. There was much more "conspiracy" on the other side, with all those not so hidden close relations between the president and US mafia.
 
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