Tsunami and conspiracy theories.

Errr, didn't this happen in North Korea's neck of the woods?

Perhaps Bush & Co can spin this to justify an invasion in NK.

Charlie (lone nuclear device theory) Monoxide
 
Cleopatra said:
The following story is circulating in Athens during the last week but unfortunately I don't have to provide any links. Since I attended several New Year's Eve parties I heard this story in various places.

According to this conspiracy theory, the tsunami wasn't caused by an earthquake but by underwater nucelar tests that were performed by the Americans.
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So you're telling us that there are uninstitutionalized people who believe that the same administration that couldn't keep Abu Graib secret thought that they could keep the deliberate murder of one-hundred thousand people secret. At least the conspiracy kooks could have tempered the story by saying the device accidentally exploded as it was being carried by a submarine.

Even though there have been underwater earthquakes that produce killer waves since the beginning of recorded history, this one was the work of the evil Americans.

As they say in the casino, out of a possible fifty-two, people who believe that are playing with the corner of a single card; and there aren't even any markings on that part of the playing card.
 
toddjh said:
Not to be nitpicky, but India is not accepting foreign aid. That seems to be their standard policy in situations like this.

Jeremy
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To be more precise, India is following their long-standing policy of not allowing aid workers into the regions of Andamans and Nicobars. The stated policy is that outsiders may harm endangered wildlife and indigenous people. The unstated policy is that the classified military bases in those regions must be protected from spies.

India is accepting various forms of aid in the majority of the devastated areas.
 
George said:
Yes I see now that India may be more self reliant than I gave them credit for but is this not a case of cutting the nose off to spite the face. A wee bit of Googleing suggests those people need help. Despite any dietary restrictions! Amoxicillin by any other name is still Amoxicillin. I refuse to believe that the affected coastal regions of India have no use for medical assistance.
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They do, but India manufactures most of the medical supplies it needs. India even sells amoxicillin and other medicines to many African countries, for example. However, Ladewig is right in pointing out that one reason for the refusal of some forms of external aid in some regions is linked to "strange goings on".
 
Cleopatra said:
India and Indonesia are having problems with the food they are being sent. They have strict dietary restrictions and they do not accept everything.
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Indonesia more than India on the whole. In some parts of India, many in the affected areas, people eat pork and beef.
 
Why would the US need to test a nuke underwater? Submarine warfare is not a practical application for nuclear weapons.

Besides, a single nuke wouldn't make the earth wobble, or continue to cause 6.0 aftershocks a week after the event. I doubt it would cause such a wave, either.
 
Joshua Korosi said:
Why would the US need to test a nuke underwater?
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I agree. This smells more like the French to me. Better check for missing Greenpeace ships in the region.
 
Joshua Korosi said:
Why would the US need to test a nuke underwater? Submarine warfare is not a practical application for nuclear weapons.
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Haven't read the thread and don't want to derail but this remark is incorrect.

The US navy began equipping attack submarines with the anti-submarine missile SubRoc in the 1960s. It had a greater range than torpedoes and could deposit a nuclear depth charge with a yield of about 200 kt. This corresponded to a comparatively enormous lethal radius.

I suppose the logic was if you're firing at an SSBN you don't want to risk missing.

It was taken out of service after the Cold War. Don't know if any nuclear ordinance specifically for anti-submarine warfare is still deployed.
 
Has anyone suggested the earthquake was started by HAARP yet?
 
So let's re-cap here.

If I understood that well, the main argument against this theory is that the phainomenon that caused that fierce a tsunami must be only physicial since there can't be a bomb that is able to cause such effects. Right?
 
Even as a rampaging Liberal, I won't buy this as the work of any human agent.

That said, I do have a friend fresh out of the army who swears up and down that this looks like the aftermath of a ELF weapon (Extremely Low Frequency) test. According to him, the US has sub-sonic weapons designed to stimulate tetonic activity.


Apparently, they let paranoid delusionals into the military.
 
Cleopatra said:
So let's re-cap here.

If I understood that well, the main argument against this theory is that the phainomenon that caused that fierce a tsunami must be only physicial since there can't be a bomb that is able to cause such effects. Right?
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I would also add (2) killing 100,000 people as part of a test is psychotic beyond imagination and (3) hoping to keep such a test secret is more irrational than approving such an expolosion in the first place. Dozens of people would have to approve it and hundreds if not thousands of people would have to be in on it. If such a test had been approved and then the public found out about it, U.S. citizens would try to violently overthrow the government.

As others pointed out, (4) the purpose of such a bomb is also beyond the scope of rationality. Where would the U.S. use such a device? If they used it above ground against North Korea, they would still kill tens of thousands of South Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese. If they used it underwater against North Korea, they would kill countless South Koreans and partially destroy the economy of either China or Japan.
 
The tractor beam that kept the tsunami off the US Navy base at Diego Garcia must have packed a few foot-pounds of torque and was obviously directed from outer space. Since Osama bin Laden's astrological chart has 3 planets in Pisces, a correction in the Earth's rotational axis was needed to realign that constellation with the last 30 degrees of elliptic starting from the vernal equinox. This was acomplished from the Hubble Space telescope - timeshared to bin Laden in early 2003 - employing a microwave hyper-pulse EMR mind f*@>ing Soviet nuclear powered death ray particle beam ricocheted off one of the Invisible Orbiting Satellites.
 
You're all wrong including the conspiracy theorist. Clearly the American governement has developed a satelite weapon that allows them to create artificial earthquakes. Gee, am I the only one who's seen Under Siege 2?
 
It seems to me..

..a small but well placed explosion could cause enough energy stored up in the continental shelf to be released...

So I can't rule out American wrong-doing because "its not possible" .. I think it is very possible.

But I can rule it out on other grounds.. Americans.. especialy American Politicians.. are notorously bad at keeping secrets.
 
Cleopatra said:
The following story is circulating in Athens during the last week but unfortunately I don't have to provide any links. Since I attended several New Year's Eve parties I heard this story in various places.
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Lots of Muslims are calling it a Jewnami. They think that Israel had something to do with it.
 
Cleopatra said:
The following story is circulating in Athens during the last week but unfortunately I don't have to provide any links. Since I attended several New Year's Eve parties I heard this story in various places.

According to this conspiracy theory, the tsunami wasn't caused by an earthquake but by underwater nucelar tests that were performed by the Americans.

Does this make sense and if it doesn't can we debunk this story?

Thanks.
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It's not a conspiracy theory. Sad to say, it is true. I am not very proud of my country right now. :(
 
Zep said:
Run this one by the conspiricists, Cleo: Moby Dick farted.
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To be fair, there is greater chance that it was caused by a futuristic wmd than by a whale fart -- slightly greater that is.
 
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