Truth hypothesis

[ComsatAngel2017]

I hope the Mods don't mind this. Fonebone didn't post what he'd actually written on the other thread, so I hereby attach a copy:

"Fonebone < The "nose-out" videos are genuine and a valuable clue as to the identity of the flying object
disguised as a jumbo jet that struck the WTC 2 south tower.
Correctly identify the flying object will instantly indentify the
as yet unknown conspiritors in this murderous plot against America
and her inalienable liberties
The flying object was real but was NOT a Boeing 767 Jumbo jet or a CGI illusion concocted by
Hollywoodesque miscreants.
The screaming jet engine powered flying object that penetrated the WTC 2
south wall was a 21 st. century " flying pig " cleverly concealed inside of
the gut of a hollowed out miniature scale model of a Boeing 767 jumbo jet
utilized to cloak the missile.
The flying pig's nose passed completely through the steel box column exterior
and exited the WTC 2tower at the North-East bevel before the flying pig's payload of advanced blast incindiary munitions was ignited.
The mimiature turbo-fan jet engine that propelled the flying pig cloaked as a
miniature "jumbojet" was found at the corner of Broadway and Murray st.
Compare this miniature turbo-fan jet engine to the WTC 1 flying pig sun bathing
in front of grown men at the Staten Island lanffill. Folding chair holding barricate tape
scales the engine size.

The fact of the flying pigs "bunker-buster " nose surviving both entrance and exit through the structural
steel exteriors of the WTC tower betrays the plot.
Technologically speaking the flying pig of the early 19 th. century was the great grandaddy
of modern flying pigs --21 st century CRUISE MISSILES. "

Well! We have an opinion! At last! I shall now have to go and see what a "flying pig" is.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

ETA: Not many missiles also carry landing gear (also recovered).

Or people (also recovered)

or are big enough to make a 767 sized hole in the buildings

or big enough to be filmed in high def hitting the buildings and being the size of a 767

and why bother when one could as easily get an idiot islamist to fly a plane into it? Cheaper too as it uses someone elses 767.......

 

[Fonebone]

I hope the Mods don't mind this. Fonebone didn't post what he'd actually written on the other thread, so I hereby attach a copy:

"Fonebone < The "nose-out" videos are genuine and a valuable clue as to the identity of the flying object
disguised as a jumbo jet that struck the WTC 2 south tower.
Correctly identify the flying object will instantly indentify the
as yet unknown conspiritors in this murderous plot against America
and her inalienable liberties
The flying object was real but was NOT a Boeing 767 Jumbo jet or a CGI illusion concocted by
Hollywoodesque miscreants.
The screaming jet engine powered flying object that penetrated the WTC 2
south wall was a 21 st. century " flying pig " cleverly concealed inside of
the gut of a hollowed out miniature scale model of a Boeing 767 jumbo jet
utilized to cloak the missile.
The flying pig's nose passed completely through the steel box column exterior
and exited the WTC 2tower at the North-East bevel before the flying pig's payload of advanced blast incindiary munitions was ignited.
The mimiature turbo-fan jet engine that propelled the flying pig cloaked as a
miniature "jumbojet" was found at the corner of Broadway and Murray st.
Compare this miniature turbo-fan jet engine to the WTC 1 flying pig sun bathing
in front of grown men at the Staten Island lanffill. Folding chair holding barricate tape
scales the engine size.

The fact of the flying pigs "bunker-buster " nose surviving both entrance and exit through the structural
steel exteriors of the WTC tower betrays the plot.
Technologically speaking the flying pig of the early 19 th. century was the great grandaddy
of modern flying pigs --21 st century CRUISE MISSILES. "

Well! We have an opinion! At last! I shall now have to go and see what a "flying pig" is.

-Fonebone < Excellent - Start right here ---
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5481529#post5481529

 

[sheeplesnshills]

-Fonebone < Excellent - Start right here ---
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5481529#post5481529

You do know that a 767 is not a "Jumbo Jet" don't you?. A 747 is a Jumbo Jet, quite different in appearance, has 4 engines and is much bigger than a 767.

You do also know that the jet engine on a cruise missile is smaller than the remains of the one on Murray Street? Since that is clearly only about 1/3 of the core of a much bigger engine it could not possibly have come from a cruise missile.

Don't make me start the cruelty to ex-equines on you too

 

[jhunter1163]

NEW YORK, New York (AP) - Members of the James Randi Educational Foundation continued their vigil tonight, waiting for a member of the so-called "Truth Movement" to propose a plausible alternate theory to the official narrative of the events of September 11, 2001.

"We'll keep waiting," vowed JREF member AJM8125. "Somewhere out there, there must be one Truther who has the courage to propose a theory. Of course, we'll rip it to shreds in seconds, but we would at least give him credit for trying." Mr. 8125 said that he and other members of the JREF had been waiting for years for an alternate theory.

"None of the leading Truthers will even come to JREF," Mr. 8125 said. "They're afraid of us, and for good reason. We'd eat them for lunch, lightly braised and with a nice viniagrette."

Mr. 8125 had more to say, but the mention of food drove this reporter to the local for some Buffalo wings and a beverage.

 

[TJM]

"None of the leading Truthers will even come to JREF," Mr. 8125 said. "They're afraid of us, and for good reason. We'd eat them for lunch, lightly braised charred to a crisp and with a nice viniagrette smothered in gravy.", an obvious hat-tip to Mark Roberts.

Mr. 8125 had more to say, but the mention of food drove this reporter to the local for some Buffalo wings and a beverage.

FTFY. Had to edit out the wuss factor. Don't bogart the wings dude.

 

[TexasJack]

They'll come up with an alternate hypothesis when pigs fly. Wait, that is their hypothesis.

 

[Telltale Tom]

On behalf of the millions of truthers, who dont visit this web site let me answer

Let's try this:

Truthers, please answer these questions...

1. Were planes used on 9/11?

Yes

2. Were the towers/WTC7 brought down with CD?

Yes

3. Was thermite what brought down the towers/WTC7?

Sure...Where else did Steve Jones get the samples... They thermite was contained in fire- protected boxes to protect it from the fire and was detonated by radio controlled military style detonators

4. Were conventional demolition explosives what brought down the towers/WTC7?

Sure...... Regular explosives were used and were contained in fire-protected boxes to protect it from the fire and was detonated by radio controlled military style detonators. They also used accelerant like jet fuel to make the fire worse than it was

5. Were the planes remote controlled?

No

6. Were "terrorists" on board the planes?

Yes

7. Were the calls and recordings on the planes fake?

No... maybe some have been doctored, who cares

8. Did an airplane hit the Pentagon?

Some truthers like some debunkers don't care.

9. Was flight 93 shot down?

I hope so, but I doubt George would be man enough to admit it

10. Was a shootdown of flight 93 a part of the "plan?"

No..duh!

11. According to the "plan," did flight 93 have a target?

Yes

These questions should do for now. They are all yes/no questions.

I hope you are happy

 

[JohnG]

Sounds unwieldy. Who would green-light such a diabolically convoluted (or convolutedly diabolical, take your pick) plan? Millions of people believe this? Really?? These millions of people must be the laziest, most cowardly people on the planet judging by their lack of action and progress in the last 8+ years.

If there really are millions of people around the world who sincerely believe the US Government is EVIL, why wouldn't some of them be angry and motivated enough to occasionally strike back at their (real or perceived) oppressor?

Do you believe that all attacks against the US "false flags"? If not, how do you tell the difference?

 

[dafydd]

"Millions of truthers" Lol and yet more lol.

 

[Oystein]

...
Sure...Where else did Steve Jones get the samples... They thermite was contained in fire- protected boxes to protect it from the fire and was detonated by radio controlled military style detonators

Sure...... Regular explosives were used and were contained in fire-protected boxes to protect it from the fire and was detonated by radio controlled military style detonators. They also used accelerant like jet fuel to make the fire worse than it was
...

Bearing in my mind that you are probably either trolling, or playing Devil's Advocate, I will still answer the only points where you seem to deviate from the commonly accepted theory.

• Indeed, where DID S. Jones get the samples? The unconfirmed chain of custody is one of the cririque points raised against his shoddy paper
• Thermite is an incendiary and does not detonate in any fashion deemed useful by demolition experts
• The Jones, harriet ed.al. paper really does not proof they found thermite. The methods they used were not capable of producing such proof. If we assume methods to be valid, then the data in the paper would proof, on the contrary, that whatever they analyzed there could not possibly have been thermite. Therefore we can say with certainty that no thermite at all has been found.
• The tell-tale insanely loud cracking bangs of explosives at the moment of collapse initiation are conspicuously absent from any recordings and witness reports of the event. A minimum charge of 9 pounds high explosives would be needed to sever only one column, but all CD theories are based on the disbelief of CTers that a single column failure could bring down any of the buildings as neatly as the seemed to be.
• If you put thermite or explosives into fire-protected boxes, that implies you can't bring them into ideal contact with the columns they are supposed to sever, which significantly increases the amount you need, and the force of the insanely loud bang associated with their detonation

 

[ComsatAngel2017]

Telltale Tom - you will have to indicate if you are serious or joking, as it's impossible to tell otherwise.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Telltale Tom - you will have to indicate if you are serious or joking, as it's impossible to tell otherwise.

I rather think that would spoil the fun.

Dave

 

[Macgyver1968]

The mimiature turbo-fan jet engine that propelled the flying pig cloaked as a
miniature "jumbojet" was found at the corner of Broadway and Murray st.
Compare this miniature turbo-fan jet engine to the WTC 1 flying pig sun bathing
in front of grown men at the Staten Island lanffill. Folding chair holding barricate tape
scales the engine size.

Here the engine that your missile uses.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=885

It weighs 146 pounds, and has 600 lbs of thrust, and is about a foot in diameter and about 3 feet long.

Here is the image you referred to showing part of the 767 engine

http://www.911review.org/images/ny_wtc_588.jpg

I'm comparing...and the planes engine is much much larger.

 

[Bell]

"Millions of truthers" Lol and yet more lol.

PDoh and his socks.

I used to be a PDoh sock myself, but I evolved.

 

[ComsatAngel2017]

Okayyyy-

"Fonebone < Excellent - Start right here ---
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...29#post5481529 y - "

I did, and wowza. So, according to you, Fonebone, there were no passengers, no terrorists, and indeed no actual planes. Do I have this correct?

 

[ImANiceGuy]

I'll start with something we certainly can all agree on. 4 planes crashed on 9/11. 2 into the towers, one into the pentagon, the other in a field.

Hypothesis: A cabal of global elites orchestrated an attack which served their geo-political/financial interests.

I'd be willing to extrapolate the hypothesis for any interested skeptics, as long as we can remain civil; please lets be civil.

I would like to stress that its JREF asking where all the truthers have gone, inviting us here for debate, etc. Don't be counter-productive and force me back to lurking status.

 

[TSR]

Hypothesis: A cabal of global elites orchestrated an attack which served their geo-political/financial interests.

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And which, exactly, of those financial interests have been served to date, which would not have been better served by, for example, actually having the planes flown by citizens of the countries which were later invaded?
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[ImANiceGuy]

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And which, exactly, of those financial interests have been served to date, which would not have been better served by, for example, actually having the planes flown by citizens of the countries which were later invaded?
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I understand the phrasing of your question to mean:

Which interests, geopolitical or financial, were served by invading Afghanistan rather than Saudi Arabia? Isn't this just implying that the interests of the global cabal are best served wherever the most natural resources are?

This question seems a little premature to me, but if you confirm my interpretation of your question, I would be happy to respond.

 

[TSR]

I understand the phrasing of your question to mean:

Which interests, geopolitical or financial, were served by invading Afghanistan rather than Saudi Arabia? Isn't this just implying that the interests of the global cabal are best served wherever the most natural resources are?

This question seems a little premature to me, but if you confirm my interpretation of your question, I would be happy to respond.

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No, it's not. It's asking "why, if those interests were served (and since they must have been so served by Afghanistan since that is what happened,) did we not frame them instead? What was the benefit to that? Or if they were not served, why not?"
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