Truth about Denmark?

[FalsePerception]

Isn't it true that the maps that hang on walls around the world are simply a Danish plot to make Greenland look really really big?!

Danish conspiracy

heres one for you for you!!!

The Mercator Projection is the Real map of the world!!!!!

Greenland really is as large as The Mercator Projection makes it look. The actual round globe is a lie and the satellite photos are doctored by NASA under the direction of the illuminati.

The truth is greenland is really Altlantis!!!!!!! The danish and the illuminati council created this false knowledge to hide it from the world.

Greenland is Altlantis and it’s really green! (why else would those who first found it call it green) The Ice is a barrier created by the illuminati. Atlantis is the illuminati HQ, The Danish hide this knowledge because the illuminati control all danish leaders. And of course All the danish kings were illuminati!

The map companies and everything else involved in map production are also controlled by the illuminati!


(Truth be told my conspiracy isn’t the craziest I’ve heard I should try to spread this rumor and get the credulous to believe it!!!!!! )

 

[Earthborn]

If the citizens of Hasselt knew exactly what that "free" bus service cost them each year, they might not be so happy with the service.

<BuzzingSound> Wrong! They do know!

This policy hasn't been around that long, I think it started in the second half of the nineties. Before that, going on the bus meant you had to buy a ticket. It also meant that bus tickets increased in prize every year, and the bus company had to scrap lines that didn't make a profit to keep the rest profitable. And this meant that a significant minority of people, especially in neighbouring villages would end up with no public transportation at all.

So in a bold step the mayor made a deal with the bus company by basically directly paying for the bus service whether lines had people in them or not. And it was a huge success! In the end the bus service would cost less, could open more lines and build a brand new bus station, the bus company survived and the mayor re-elected.

So the people in Hasselt do know what a decent bus service costs, and they also know the cost of not socializing it: you would end up with a bus service that doesn't reach places where only few people at a time want to go.

But by and large, the non-producers and the government drones outnumber the producers in the private sector. So effectively, the tyranny of the great unwashed majority of looters prevails, thus re-creating a genuine slavery class -- otherwise known as the "middle" class.

So all these people with their suburb houses and large yards and two cars in a their two-car garages and their VISA cards that allow them to spend money they don't have, are slaves?

Dang, we really did start to treat our slaves a lot better in the last one hundred years! Especially if you realize that the ruling class of civil servants are willing to work for salaries lower than what they would make for similar jobs in the private sector and the elite of people on welfare can hardly (in Europe) to not (in US) make ends meet.

Also what you are basically saying is that 'The Burden (Costs) Of Society Is Put On The Shoulders Of The Working Class'. Man, you would make Karl Marx proud! And since the only alternative to a 'Free-Market With Taxation' ever devised by mankind is that 'The State Makes Its Own Money By Taking Over (All) Production And Distribution', I'm staring to wonder who the socialist is on this board...

 

[Earthborn]

Should we assume you meant "moronic, climate-treaty-refusing sod" or did you mean that Kyoto was a moronic climate treaty?

Well, what do you think? Do you think that the Kyoto Treaty is taken very seriously here?

Well, actually it is. Especially here in the Netherlands, since we are the only nation in possibly the whole world that is going to meet its Kyoto targets. How? Well, by buying emission rights of course! The Netherlands is the first country that does it, hoping it can get them cheaply, because being nice to the environment is a good thing, but you can't wreck your economy for something as vague as 'maybe a degree rise in temperature in another hundred years'.

Trust me, we don't worry about it that the US isn't in the Kyoto treaty at all. Once we bought all emission rights from around the world, we will force you into it.

I would have added "can't-find-your-own-country-on-a-map."

I didn't want to be so harsh. I guess I'm just one of those soft Europussies...

 

[a_unique_person]

>>So, if I was to live in a country with no taxes, then I would just accumulate all my money for the rest of my life! Cool, I'm moving there. <<


There was a time when that country was the USA.

Man, I need to raise my sarcasm level. The point is, even if there were no taxes, whatsoever, I would still have to spend my money. I never get to keep it all........

The issue is, how much is taken in tax, for a common 'socialist' pool, and how much i spend directly.

 

[shuize]

Exactly. The government knows best. It's actually rather kind of them to let the Danes even keep 25% of what they earn.

 

[CFLarsen]

Exactly. The government knows best. It's actually rather kind of them to let the Danes even keep 25% of what they earn.

Danes do not view their government the way Americans (to pick on the obvious!) view theirs. The Danish government is not regarded as some high-and-mighty unreachable power that swings the stick over the helpless citizens.

The Danish government (and it doesn't matter which 'side' rules) treads very lightly, at all times. It is easy to create a 'stir', and the politicians will react very quickly.

It is extremely easy to get political influence in Denmark - since relatively few are actual members of a political party.

 

[DanishDynamite]

FalsePerception:

you europeans were supposed to be indignant and insult america the same way I insulted europe.

Well....okay then, but just this once: Americans are all burger-chomping, selfaggrandizing, triggerhappy, car-hugging, selfabsorbed cowboys, whose intellectual capacity is best illustrated by the name they've given to a local game played almost exclusively using the hands: Football.

How was that?

Mike B.

Isn't it true that the Mercator Projection maps that hang on walls around the world are simply a Danish plot to make Greenland look really really big?!

Impressive, isn't it?

Of course, Mercator Projection aside, its still 3 times the size of Texas or 50 times larger than Denmark.

FalsePerception:

Greenland is Altlantis and it’s really green! (why else would those who first found it call it green)

There is actually something of a conspiracy behind the "green" bit in Greenland.

From this site:

In 982 A.D., the famous Viking explorer Erikur Raude (Erik the Red) found himself in trouble, again. Already banished from his native Norway for carrying a blood feud to its violent extremes, he was labled an outlaw by Icelandic authorities for avenging the death of two of his servants in true Viking style. So, Erik set sail from his newly adopted home and headed west to what's known today as Greenland. The land was already discovered by earlier adventurers, and stories of their voyages undoubtedly were circulated in the western fjords of Iceland, where Erik made his home. Erik also found a willing crew, as Iceland was gripped by famine, and young men like Erik were unable to secure choice land in the new Atlantic colony.

According to the sagas, "The land he discovered he called Greenland because he said it would attract people if the country had a beautiful name." In the south fjords he visited, the land was warmer and greener then due to a warming off period, and it's likely his lasting label was more than slick hucksterism. Erik found the fjords suitable for farming and colonization, and he explored Greenland's west coast and lived off the land for three years. To the likely astonishment of his countrymen, he returned to Iceland in 985 A.D. to promote a colony.

 

[Ove]

Well....okay then, but just this once: Americans are all burger-chomping, selfaggrandizing, triggerhappy, car-hugging, selfabsorbed cowboys, whose intellectual capacity is best illustrated by the name they've given to a local game played almost exclusively using the hands: Football.

And you know what? When, during that game, they have to kick the ball they've had to import a Dane to show them how it's done, Go Morten!!!!

 

[Rouser2]

>>But it should be noted that the USA was a small (population-wise) insignificant country at the time. The USA only became a world-class economy after they got taxation (and taxation has, I believe, increased over time along with the US's power in the world). <<


The "size" of a country has little to do with taxation. But the fact is, the patriots of 1776 waged a revolution over taxation. Still, there was plenty of taxation after the British were defeated. And after the Louisiana Purchase, the US became a very large nation, indeed and a world player. But Thomas Jefferson vowed to wipe out internal revenue taxation if elected. And 8 years later, he proudly boasted not a single internal revenue collector existed in the entire US as all internal revenue taxes had been abolished!

 

[Rouser2]

<BuzzingSound> Wrong! They do know!

This policy hasn't been around that long, I think it started in the second half of the nineties. Before that, going on the bus meant you had to buy a ticket. It also meant that bus tickets increased in prize every year, and the bus company had to scrap lines that didn't make a profit to keep the rest profitable. And this meant that a significant minority of people, especially in neighbouring villages would end up with no public transportation at all.<<


Sounds like "lemon" socialism to me. Subsidizing activities that people have rejected in the free market place.



>>So in a bold step the mayor made a deal with the bus company by basically directly paying for the bus service whether lines had people in them or not.<<

Excellent reasoning.

>> And it was a huge success! <<

Uhh, excuse me? A success for whom? The few who use it, not the many who pay for it.

>>In the end the bus service would cost less, could open more lines and build a brand new bus station, the bus company survived and the mayor re-elected.>>

How serving unprofitiable areas makes the bus service cost "less" is a conclusion in defiance of all logic.

>>So the people in Hasselt do know what a decent bus service costs, and they also know the cost of not socializing it: you would end up with a bus service that doesn't reach places where only few people at a time want to go.<<


Obviously, neither the people of Hasslet know what they are really paying, an neither do you.

>>So all these people with their suburb houses and large yards and two cars in a their two-car garages and their VISA cards that allow them to spend money they don't have, are slaves?<<


Partially, yes. But not as much slaves as the people of Denmark, perhaps.


>>Dang, we really did start to treat our slaves a lot better in the last one hundred years! Especially if you realize that the ruling class of civil servants are willing to work for salaries lower than what they would make for similar jobs in the private sector<<

A very doubtful assertion.


>>Also what you are basically saying is that 'The Burden (Costs) Of Society Is Put On The Shoulders Of The Working Class'.<<

The burden of society's plundering of individual weatlh is on the producers.

>>Man, you would make Karl Marx proud! And since the only alternative to a 'Free-Market With Taxation' ever devised by mankind is that 'The State Makes Its Own Money By Taking Over (All) Production And Distribution', I'm staring to wonder who the socialist is on this board... <<

That's the old fallacy of the false delimma "either this, or that". In fact, there are other choices, namely, a society where there is no taxation at all except for those paid voluntarily -- a condition that used to previal in the USA for most of its history up to about 1915.

 

[Rouser2]

Re: live free or die

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>>WE also have no income and no sales tax. Our property tax we love to complain about, but it is lower than our neighboring states. You can have a good life and low taxes. People here are highly educated and take great personal responsibility. I don't know how it works, but it does.<<

Kudos to New Hampshire! A lesson for the rest of the nation and the world. And I believe the New Hampshire state motto imprinted on all license plates to be instructive:

"LIVE FREE, OR DIE".

 

[Rouser2]

>>Well....okay then, but just this once: Americans are all burger-chomping, selfaggrandizing, triggerhappy, car-hugging, selfabsorbed cowboys, whose intellectual capacity is best illustrated by the name they've given to a local game played almost exclusively using the hands: Football.<<


You can insult Americans for their eating habits, their ugly American self aggrandizing, their love of cars and guns -- and cowboys, but don't you insult America Football! I don't believe you or anyone can name another physical sport which requires more brains and strategy thinking than football. And I don't mean that "exciting" European brand which lasts 3 hours, has no contact and ends in zero, zero ties.

 

[Ove]

And I don't mean that "exciting" European brand which lasts 3 hours, has no contact and ends in zero, zero ties.

FYI a soccer match lasts 2 x 45 min's with a 15 min interval. and contrary to american footbal the players do the thinking, they are not soldiers in need of directions from the coach constantly during the match. AND there are no commercial demanded time-outs. AND 0-0 draws are rare. AND even a 0-0draw can be pretty entertaining to watch.

The big difference is that 2 x 45 min is actual playing time, which was one of the things the american TV networks complained deeply over when the world cup was held over there. To me an american football game seems to consist of 30 sec. explosive action followed by 2 - 5 min of wandering around, lining up, discussing with the coach etc. BORING BORING BORING.

 

[The Don]

You can insult Americans for their eating habits, their ugly American self aggrandizing, their love of cars and guns -- and cowboys, but don't you insult America Football! I don't believe you or anyone can name another physical sport which requires more brains and strategy thinking than football. And I don't mean that "exciting" European brand which lasts 3 hours, has no contact and ends in zero, zero ties.

- Rugby Union
- Rugby League

and of course the master of all sports... Cheese rolling
http://www.cheese-rolling.co.uk/

 

[a_unique_person]

>>Well....okay then, but just this once: Americans are all burger-chomping, selfaggrandizing, triggerhappy, car-hugging, selfabsorbed cowboys, whose intellectual capacity is best illustrated by the name they've given to a local game played almost exclusively using the hands: Football.<<


You can insult Americans for their eating habits, their ugly American self aggrandizing, their love of cars and guns -- and cowboys, but don't you insult America Football! I don't believe you or anyone can name another physical sport which requires more brains and strategy thinking than football. And I don't mean that "exciting" European brand which lasts 3 hours, has no contact and ends in zero, zero ties.

aussie rules, rules.


strategy, muscles, thinking, speed, endurance, kicking and ball handling, and no padding.

 

[Diezel]

While I won't get into the fight about which games are better, I must say one thing about the "no pads" aspect I hear often from the non-Americans...

I once showed the comparison of an American football team and a British rugby team, size wise. The fact of the matter is, American football players are HUGE! Think of an American running back, some of them weighing in now at close to 300 pounds, running at you at top speed (much faster than you and I can run) and you are supposed to stop him!

And for the physics geeks, calculate the force of two 300 pound men, running at more than 15 mph (ballpark, I really don't know how fast they can run), colliding head on.

Fact is, these are are huge and only getting bigger. If they didn't wear pads, there would be bones snapping on every play.

 

[Drooper]

Hang on a minute. The 300 pounders tend to be offensive linesmen don't they? In which case they run at about 2 mph, downhill with a tailwind.

On the rugby front, the biggest players to to be just over the 250 pound mark. The odd one pushes 270-280. They also have a very low body fat ratio, unlike those porky linesmen.

The difference with rugby (league and union) players is that they need to have more cardiovascular stamina and speed.

 

[The Don]

Have not watched (American) Football for a while but was under the impression that running backs were typically in the 230-260 lb range rather than 300+ (linemen ?).

For size try Jonah Lomu or any of the Tongan or Samoan backs and see how you get on

 

[Drooper]

Jonah Lomu is around 270 pounds.

He is also fast!!! Or he was fast, he seems to have lost a tad.

His fastest 100m time is 10.8

 

[Diezel]

Hang on a minute. The 300 pounders tend to be offensive linesmen don't they? In which case they run at about 2 mph, downhill with a tailwind.

On the rugby front, the biggest players to to be just over the 250 pound mark. The odd one pushes 270-280. They also have a very low body fat ratio.

The difference with rugby (league and union) players is that they need to have more cardiovascular stamina and speed.

No, the linesmen are pushing 400 pounds now (Stocker McDougal of the Detroit Lions is 380, Aron Gibson was over 400 pounds.) Running backs are going 250+, fullbacks 275+ and linebackers going 250-300 pounds.