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Trump's Third Term

I very much doubt that Denmark - or any country - can declare the American ambassador persona non grata before this ambassador has said or done something that is strongly hostile to Denmark. Trump’s previous ambassador to Denmark, Carla Sands, didn’t get expelled for lying about, and undermine Denmark (she claimed that Danes were bicycling so much because they were too poor to own a car).
 
steenkh said:
I very much doubt that Denmark - or any country - can declare the American ambassador persona non grata before this ambassador has said or done something that is strongly hostile to Denmark. Trump’s previous ambassador to Denmark, Carla Sands, didn’t get expelled for lying about, and undermine Denmark (she claimed that Danes were bicycling so much because they were too poor to own a car).
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Actually they can.

On arrival, new ambassadors present their credentials to the local government, and these are accepted to allow the incoming ambassador to assume their new role. Traditionally, this is merely a short formality, a handshake, and an excuse for a dining event, etc.

But there is not a formal obligation on the host country to accept any such credentials. They can refuse. In which case the new ambassador becomes persona non grata, and can be expelled if required. An illegal immigrant if you like. ;)
 
Norman Alexander said:
Actually they can.

On arrival, new ambassadors present their credentials to the local government, and these are accepted to allow the incoming ambassador to assume their new role. Traditionally, this is merely a short formality, a handshake, and an excuse for a dining event, etc.

But there is not a formal obligation on the host country to accept any such credentials. They can refuse. In which case the new ambassador becomes persona non grata, and can be expelled if required. An illegal immigrant if you like. ;)
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Yes, formally, but not in actual fact. This would cause an extreme crisis with one of the most powerful nations on Earth.
In the present situation, it would be similar to the situation Czechoslovakia would be in if they had refused Hitler’s ambassador in 1938.
 
steenkh said:
Yes, formally, but not in actual fact. This would cause an extreme crisis with one of the most powerful nations on Earth.
In the present situation, it would be similar to the situation Czechoslovakia would be in if they had refused Hitler’s ambassador in 1938.
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True, but still feasible. A more politic approach would be to never invite the incoming ambassador to present their credentials. Just keep the position open. Let them live in the embassy without ever recognising them.
 
a_unique_person said:
Who in Trump's entourage is channeling the idea to him.
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He doesn't need it channeled. He talks to Putin, directly, and off the record. Remember, he kicked note takers our of meetings with Putin and destroyed other notes that were made during the first meeting with Putin.
 
He could do the 'Wallace' trick, have his son run for president with his pledge that old daddy will be his primary advisor.
 
steenkh said:
Yes, formally, but not in actual fact. This would cause an extreme crisis with one of the most powerful nations on Earth.
In the present situation, it would be similar to the situation Czechoslovakia would be in if they had refused Hitler’s ambassador in 1938.
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That 'power' is pretty much only in the 'minds' of some of the US population- multiple successive failures with GOP leadership (GW managed to squander a LOT of goodwill towards the US, trump 1 lost most of what remained, and with incoming trump 2- the US has literally NO 'soft power' left- and it can't use it's 'hard' power (despite trumps wanting to annex multiple countries- it will never happen...) any attempt will put the US at war with pretty much EVERYONE...

Any attempt would bring the entire world (bar Russia, North Korea and the like) against it- total isolation, embargoes and the rest would follow, and the US economy (already very borderline) would collapse...

All you need to do is look at the responses to trumps 'pronouncements'... no-one is worried about 'debating' about them, everyone is too busy pissing themselves laughing at the crap he is babbling...

The US has lost all credibility...
 
Dabop said:
That 'power' is pretty much only in the 'minds' of some of the US population- multiple successive failures with GOP leadership (GW managed to squander a LOT of goodwill towards the US, trump 1 lost most of what remained, and with incoming trump 2- the US has literally NO 'soft power' left- and it can't use it's 'hard' power (despite trumps wanting to annex multiple countries- it will never happen...) any attempt will put the US at war with pretty much EVERYONE...

Any attempt would bring the entire world (bar Russia, North Korea and the like) against it- total isolation, embargoes and the rest would follow, and the US economy (already very borderline) would collapse...

All you need to do is look at the responses to trumps 'pronouncements'... no-one is worried about 'debating' about them, everyone is too busy pissing themselves laughing at the crap he is babbling...

The US has lost all credibility...
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Any failings will be marketed internally as "all the Democrats fault for not allowing us to run rampant". And it will be lapped up...until enough Americans rebel and take back what is rightfully theirs. I suggest some drunken dress-ups pushing a few tea-chests into Boston Harbour should do the trick.

It's going to be a mess...

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Going forward, I think we can call every US right wing capitalist Populist a Trump.
He might himself might not get a third term, but someone like him will get back into the White House.
 
Dabop said:
That 'power' is pretty much only in the 'minds' of some of the US population- multiple successive failures with GOP leadership (GW managed to squander a LOT of goodwill towards the US, trump 1 lost most of what remained, and with incoming trump 2- the US has literally NO 'soft power' left- and it can't use it's 'hard' power (despite trumps wanting to annex multiple countries- it will never happen...) any attempt will put the US at war with pretty much EVERYONE...

Any attempt would bring the entire world (bar Russia, North Korea and the like) against it- total isolation, embargoes and the rest would follow, and the US economy (already very borderline) would collapse...

All you need to do is look at the responses to trumps 'pronouncements'... no-one is worried about 'debating' about them, everyone is too busy pissing themselves laughing at the crap he is babbling...

The US has lost all credibility...
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Nevertheless, most of our dirigeants will kiss the orange horror' ass and more or less align themselves with USA policies, because not doing so would be bad for business, and some of his ideas about immigrants are popular with voters …

For example, business and political leaders in Switzerland have clearly stated that should Trump visit the Davos forum, Musk would "of course" be welcome … I'm pretty certain that most of the French business leaders are constantly advising Pres Macron to be nice to them too.
 
Flo said:
Nevertheless, most of our dirigeants will kiss the orange horror' ass and more or less align themselves with USA policies, because not doing so would be bad for business, and some of his ideas about immigrants are popular with voters …

For example, business and political leaders in Switzerland have clearly stated that should Trump visit the Davos forum, Musk would "of course" be welcome … I'm pretty certain that most of the French business leaders are constantly advising Pres Macron to be nice to them too.
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That just is further evidence in support of the theory that most business leaders are so thick they wouldn't get entry level jobs in the companies they run.
 
Flo said:
Nevertheless, most of our dirigeants will kiss the orange horror' ass and more or less align themselves with USA policies, because not doing so would be bad for business, and some of his ideas about immigrants are popular with voters …

For example, business and political leaders in Switzerland have clearly stated that should Trump visit the Davos forum, Musk would "of course" be welcome … I'm pretty certain that most of the French business leaders are constantly advising Pres Macron to be nice to them too.
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Just out of curiosity how should European leaders handle Trump?
I don;t think just pretending he does not exist is feasible; just what would you do?
 
dudalb said:
Just out of curiosity how should European leaders handle Trump?
I don;t think just pretending he does not exist is feasible; just what would you do?
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Pretend he is a normal leader, and treat him like that?
In Denmark there is a tradition of treating US presidents as our liege lords: rolling out the biggest red carpet imaginable, huge crowds gathering to get a glimpse of the emperor, etc.

Obviously, Trump should be treated in the same manner, and I don’t think he’ll mind :)
Actually, Trump is not very popular here, so the huge crowds might be gathering more for his notoriety, but then, I don’t think Trump would sense the difference.
 
Europe abides.

The best strategy is to hunker down and let the US and China destroy each other in a (trade) war.
 
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