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Trump's Second Term
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kookbreaker
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Yeah, Trump is trying to make a mountain out of this issue because the DHS shutdown means FEMA is not operating. So he tried to make this a big thing so that the Democrats will be blamed. Of course the problems with this approach are 1) This happened back in January and 2) Trump is actively looking at how to dismantle FEMA as he barks about Maryland.
Hans
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Yeah this should be fun. My father was military and stationed in Japan when I was born. Instead of being brought into the world at the US Army post hospital I decided to pop out a week or two early and Mom gave birth in a Japanese hospital. I have a lovely Japanese Birth Certificate....
Andy_Ross
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Hegseth: Too many of our officers came back looking too much like Harvard, heads full of globalists and radical ideologies that do not improve our fighting ranks
Griffin: Secretary Hegseth has degrees from Princeton and Harvard
Griffin: Secretary Hegseth has degrees from Princeton and Harvard
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
Not free, though, is it? And if the millions who need them get them, do you have faith that there won't suddenly be a new hurdle?
AmyStrange
Philosopher
Well, at the time I got mine, it was free, but I wouldn't doubt if new hurdles were raised.
AmyStrange
Philosopher
I'll bet it is beautiful.
When I was born, we'd just moved to another state, and my Mom had to take a fast and wild taxi ride back to Rhode Island, and on the way, all she remembers is Hound Dog by Elvis Presley being played. It was the number one song at the time, and the DJ was playing it over and over again.
AmyStrange
Philosopher
I can see why the fat clown loves the uneducated. They're the only ones who are stupid enough to fall for that crap.
AmyStrange
Philosopher
And there's so much crap, most of it comes out of his mouth.
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Armitage72
Philosopher
In 2022 I had to order a copy of my birth certificate to get a NY enhanced drivers license (it turned out I had a certificate of registration of birth in my files, which is different).
It was $45, plus $15 shipping, plus $8 convenience fee for paying online. It also took several months to arrive.
Armitage72
Philosopher
"Donald, you're pointing at the mirror again."
AmyStrange
Philosopher
How did you have it shipped? Mine was mailed to me in an envelope with just a stamp on it.
ETA: I just tried to get a copy online, and 45$ was what vital check would have charged me also.
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Armitage72
Philosopher
The receipt I still have says UPS Air. I don't remember if they offered options, but I can't imagine I wouldn't have chosen something cheaper if it had been available.
AmyStrange
Philosopher
Like I just posted, I tried and you're right, but that's weird that UPS Air would take months. They must've sent it by pigeon.
Of course I did it before 9/11.
I'm going back home soon to visit my two sisters and nephew, so I'll wait until then.
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Armitage72
Philosopher
It was the processing that took months, not the shipping. I ordered the birth certificate at the end of April and it arrived around early September, based on the issue date on my license.
AmyStrange
Philosopher
That's still a long time to process something, but then again, that's the government for you.
Maybe they had to also check that you didn't also have a death certificate, but I doubt it.
They don't cancel a BC when a DC is filed, especially when it's registered in another state, or even if it's in the same one.
That's one of the anomalies of Birth and Death certificates.
You can get someone's BC who died by looking up their birth vitals in the newspaper. All the information is there, and don't ask me how I know this is a fact.
Anyway, sorry for the sidetrack, and this is my last post on this subject.
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bruto
Penultimate Amazing
It's a solution without a problem which is almost certain to cause massive problems and delays, a huge number of which will almost certainly affect people who are poor, some who are far from their place of origin, uncertain how to proceed, and possibly not even sure of where to look, and others who have never needed documentation, and should never need it, rural people who are surrounded by people who were there when they were born.
Naturalized citizens, while it helps to have a birth certificate, do not absolutely need one in the presence of other documentation. Legally admitted refugees are naturally often unable to obtain such documentation, and can get a green card without it. A valid green card is itself documentation for naturalization.
My wife, for example, born in Cuba, did have her birth certificate, which was used when she got her green card after having been a paroled refugee, but it was accidentally left behind at the US Consulate in Toronto. She was naturalized without it. Later, when applying for a passport, she decided to see if it could be retrieved to speed the process, and amazingly, after over 20 years, a diligent Consulate employee found it in the archives and sent it. But she was a citizen, and a voter, for years without it, and if it had not been found she'd never get it from Cuba now.
Of course, it ought to be sufficient to point out that the motivator behind this stupid and cumbersome rule is notorious for not accepting a birth certificate anyway. A large part of our government is run by tyrannical, demented racist lunatics and their cultists, and any expectation of how their proposals are likely to work or whether they will benefit the country ought to keep that in mind.
I just looked it up, and a Connecticut birth certificate, which is what I have, is $30.
Naturalized citizens, while it helps to have a birth certificate, do not absolutely need one in the presence of other documentation. Legally admitted refugees are naturally often unable to obtain such documentation, and can get a green card without it. A valid green card is itself documentation for naturalization.
My wife, for example, born in Cuba, did have her birth certificate, which was used when she got her green card after having been a paroled refugee, but it was accidentally left behind at the US Consulate in Toronto. She was naturalized without it. Later, when applying for a passport, she decided to see if it could be retrieved to speed the process, and amazingly, after over 20 years, a diligent Consulate employee found it in the archives and sent it. But she was a citizen, and a voter, for years without it, and if it had not been found she'd never get it from Cuba now.
Of course, it ought to be sufficient to point out that the motivator behind this stupid and cumbersome rule is notorious for not accepting a birth certificate anyway. A large part of our government is run by tyrannical, demented racist lunatics and their cultists, and any expectation of how their proposals are likely to work or whether they will benefit the country ought to keep that in mind.
I just looked it up, and a Connecticut birth certificate, which is what I have, is $30.
TellyKNeasuss
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As far as I've been able to find out, my state of origin (New Jersey) will get your birth certificate to you in 2-4 weeks at a cost of a mere $10. Which is great, EXCEPT that you need a valid government-issued ID to get the birth certificate.
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
The point of the exercise is, as always, not what it claims to be. The idea isn't "oh, if everyone presents their birth certificate it'll be good for identifyin legitimate voters"; the idea is "this can be something that can be cited as an excuse to not let this particular person -- or this particular kind of person-- vote, or register to vote." The more obstacles in place, the more excuses for delay, denial, obfuscation.
Just like those "literacy tests" certain states had as a voting requirement. Funny how many illiterate people of the "right" kind passed, and how many literate people of the "wrong" kind failed.
Just like those "literacy tests" certain states had as a voting requirement. Funny how many illiterate people of the "right" kind passed, and how many literate people of the "wrong" kind failed.