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Trump's Second Term

AmyStrange said:
I feel sorry for anyone's family who is killed, be it an ICE agent, a cop, right winger, left winger, or just your ordinary, everyday fireman who was trying to protect his family.

The loved ones who have to deal with their deaths are innocents caught in the crossfire, and I will NOT cheer on anyone's death or potential death.

Why? Because the dead can't hear you anyway, but their loved one's can.
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I feel sympathy for their families, unless those families support ICE as well. I feel sympathy for any family that has to live with an ICE agent.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Do you think The Donald actually regards it as prestige, rather than an imposition and cost to Merkinania?
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I don't think that those considerations have anything to do with it. Trump doesn't act with the US' interests in mind at all, after all.

shemp said:
So if the shooter was trying to kill ICE agents, they failed miserably. How about JUST DON'T SHOOT PEOPLE! If your plan is to shoot people, then kill yourself, how about you forget the first part and just kill yourself instead? Idiot.
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I'm not opposed to what you're saying, but I think that it's worth noting that suicide by cop actually is a thing.

P.J. Denyer said:
Or the shooter was deliberately targeting the detainees because after all the fact they've been detained by ICE 'proves' they're thieves and rapists who've been emptied out foreign insane asylums and sent to the US illegally....
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I think I've heard multiple Republicans lionize the "just shoot them" way to handle asylum seekers. No need to add conditions like them being thieves, rapists, or insane. They're trespassing, and trespassing is a crime worthy of death at the "owner's" whim... as also seen in the Castle doctrine that's been pushed across the country by Republicans and been used to get away with murdering peaceful "leftists."

plague311 said:
I want to preface this by saying that I completely and wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying in that there is no reason to resort to violence. I feel like I say this a lot, and it should be known I'm not just trying to be a contrarian.

While I absolutely don't condone it, I understand it. Some of these people lose their kids, spouses of decades with little to no warning and I can understand the emotional distress that would lead someone to do something like this. Again, I'm not saying it's right, but I've seen V for Vendetta...people can only be pushed so far before they view violence as the only answer. Some of these people have followed the rules to be here their whole lives only to be upended by a Trumpian temper tantrum. Some of these people even voted for him. It's a crazy timeline.
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While I don't disagree with you, I do believe we just had roughly the same conversation about Kirk and it's already looking like this is playing out rather similarly. I find myself ever increasingly disgusted with the situation as a whole, especially when the people crying "Wolf" are the ones who have basically been openly breeding wolves, releasing them into crowded areas, and then defending and celebrating the wolves murdering others.
 
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AmyStrange said:
Most of them are just doing their job, and I do care about what their loved ones will have to go through if they're killed, and besides, this is more the fat clown's fault than ICE as a whole.

Not everyone in ICE is a POS.

It just reminds me of that time a few years ago in Seattle when three cops were killed in a Starbucks because the shooter hated cops.
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i disagree. when the nazis said they were following orders, it wasn't an excuse. and they really probably didn't have a choice in a much different way than the ice agents don't have a choice. they don't have to do this job, they haven't been conscripted and they're not at war.

so yeah, you have to kind of be a pos to stick around for this when you can just leave.
 
Procedure:
-go after X (Comey, Hillary)
-case falls apart
-tweet on truth social
"$50 Billion Dollar Rural and Vulnerable Hospital Fund, which was passed with only Republican Votes, and proudly signed into Law by ME.”
 
Resume said:
The revenge tour continues.
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Honestly, if I was Comey or some other target of MAGA ire, I'd be looking to move/flee to Canada.

dirtywick said:
i disagree. when the nazis said they were following orders, it wasn't an excuse. and they really probably didn't have a choice
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To be fair, they could've deserted or defected. But yes, probably a heck of a lot easier for an ICEStapo soldier to just quit their job.
 
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dirtywick said:
i disagree. when the nazis said they were following orders, it wasn't an excuse. and they really probably didn't have a choice in a much different way than the ice agents don't have a choice. they don't have to do this job, they haven't been conscripted and they're not at war.

so yeah, you have to kind of be a pos to stick around for this when you can just leave.
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I don't care about the stupid nazis, but that doesn't automatically mean their loved ones are evil, especially their children.

Some of those in ICE are maybe a couple years away from pretty good pensions, so I can understand, but if they're actually hurting immigrants, then yeah, they might deserve what they get, but I'm not going to blame their damn children or wish their parents dead because of it.

Screw that crap.
 
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AmyStrange said:
I don't care about the stupid nazis, but that doesn't automatically mean their loved ones are evil, especially their children.

Some of them are maybe a couple years away from pretty good pensions, so I can understand, but if they're actually hurting immigrants, then yeah, they might deserve what they get, but I'm not going to blame their damn children or wish their parents dead because of it.

Screw that crap.
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i don't think there's any doubt that they are working for an organization who's mission is hurting immigrants and trampling on the constitution. that said, yeah there's potential for some financial sacrifice in doing the right thing.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to derail this thread, but no one should paint EVERY SINGLE ICE agent as some evil entity, any more than the fat clown and his maga weirdoes should paint the whole Democratic party as evil.

I think (I hope) the Democratic Party is better than that.
 
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AmyStrange said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to derail this thread, but no one should paint EVERY SINGLE ICE agent as some evil entity, any more than that the fat clown and his maga weirdoes should paint the whole Democratic party as evil.

I think (I hope) the Democratic Party is better than that.
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And besides, if they're friendly to our side, then I'd rather have them on the inside than the outside.
 
AmyStrange said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to derail this thread, but no one should paint EVERY SINGLE ICE agent as some evil entity, any more than the fat clown and his maga weirdoes should paint the whole Democratic party as evil.

I think (I hope) the Democratic Party is better than that.
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not really sure what adjectives you’d use to describe them. dishonorable? i’ve seen don’t call them all this or that a lot of times in the run up to where we are. it’s a distinction without a difference

anyway i’m not affiliated with the dems
 
dirtywick said:
not really sure what adjectives you’d use to describe them. dishonorable? i’ve seen don’t call them all this or that a lot of times in the run up to where we are. it’s a distinction without a difference

anyway i’m not affiliated with the dems
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Neither am I. I'm a registered republican.

I'm one of those on the inside (along with some other friends) who likes messing things up, but I do love many of the Democratic Party's positions, especially those that call for equal rights for everyone and helping those in need, especially children.
 
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