Trump's Second Term

Darat said:
Do you think Trump is capable of understanding that nuance? We've heard it in his ramblings that he thinks he can do what he likes, and since his father died that has been his reality, and that is regardless of him being president or not.
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Of course he is not, but since the actions might not be legal, there might be the small chance that the military would not follow his orders.
Just dreaming, I know........

Random said:
Yeah, but de jure immunity from prosecution for a President is de facto permission for the President to shoot people who annoy him.
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Yes.
Would not automatically mean that the military would help him shoot those people.

ETA: I'm just not willing to give up all hope. Yet.
 
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Random said:
Yeah, but de jure immunity from prosecution for a President is de facto permission for the President to shoot people who annoy him.
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If only Biden had taken note of the judgement.... he could have had Trump confined to a mental institute for the rest of his life.
 
Dow is surprisingly holding steady despite the big new tariffs from China and the trump promise of tariffs on pharma.

+13.38 on the close
 
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Neguse demolishes Rep. Jodey Arrington's hypocrisy: "When the stock market dropped 1,000 points several years ago, you rushed to bemoan President Biden's actions. You condemned it. Now the stock market drops 1,000 points every day for the last week and you claim it's the economy running well. Do you understand why that's a tough argument for the American people to understand?"

NEGUSE: The budget resolution that you are here to testify in support of you have described as unserious and disappointing. Right? This is the bill you want your colleagues to vote for.

ARRINGTON: You are correct

NEGUSE: I don't know why you are voting for it if that's the case
 
"Sleepy Joe" presided over a nine-quarter GDP growth and a year of inflation reduction, but it's his fault there is now a recession.
It's not the fault of "the greatest businessman to ever grace the Earth" who has obliterated it all in a few weeks.

BARTIROMO: Increasingly people are expecting we're heading for a recession. I spoke with one CEO over the weekend, he said we're already in a recession. So how do you deal with that?

BESSENT: What the CEO may have alluded to is that the manufacturing sector under the previous administration was in a recession.


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Darat said:
One of the questions some of us have is whether he has really "secured the military". Yes, he has toadies installed in top positions (such as Hegseth for secretary of defense.) But the U.S. military has plenty of dedicated career officers who might resist implementing plans that they consider illegal.
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But the SCOTTS has already said what he does as president is legal, hard to see now when he is acting as president i.e. Commander in Chief how his orders are not "legal".
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I may misrember, but I thought they ''only'' said he is immune from prosecution for what he does as president.
That doesn't mean everything he does is legal.
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Do you think Trump is capable of understanding that nuance? We've heard it in his ramblings that he thinks he can do what he likes, and since his father died that has been his reality, and that is regardless of him being president or not.
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I know Trump isn't smart enough to understand the nuance. (Or, he just doesn't care.)

The issue is whether members of the military (the ones who aren't Trump-picked toadies) will recognize that "orders to invade Canada/Greenland" are illegal and thus can (or should be) ignored. Just because Trump issued the orders (and cannot be prosecuted for them) doesn't necessarily mean they should be followed.

Now Trump could himself personally invade Canada. (After all, he considers himself to be the greatest military mind in the world and could personally engage in a one-man invasion.) And for that he can't be prosecuted. He just might not be able to tell others to join him, and if they do, the people who join him could be prosecuted.
 
Georg said:
Of course he is not, but since the actions might not be legal, there might be the small chance that the military would not follow his orders.
Just dreaming, I know........



Yes.
Would not automatically mean that the military would help him shoot those people.

ETA: I'm just not willing to give up all hope. Yet.
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One military commander refused an order to put up his portrait and just got fired. I'm not sure if that means removed from her position of authority, or completely discharged. As much as I hate The POSOTUS, following orders like that should be a non-issue. I.E. Do what you're ordered to.
 
alfaniner said:
One military commander refused an order to put up his portrait and just got fired. I'm not sure if that means removed from her position of authority, or completely discharged. As much as I hate The POSOTUS, following orders like that should be a non-issue. I.E. Do what you're ordered to.
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There should be a law against such things. We should not be firing highly capable and useful military personnel for such petty reasons.
 
Dow is up and down like a bride's nightie today the tracker looks like a saw blade.
 
The Fed didn’t come to his rescue. China didn’t cave. Now he’s begging Congress to bail him out.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
It is IMPERATIVE that Republicans in the House pass the Tax Cut Bill, NOW! Our Country Will Boom!!!
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Republicans, it is more important now, than ever, that we pass THE ONE, BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL. The USA will Soar like never before!!!
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I would like to think if the orange freak gave an actual order to invade Canada. The generals could super slow walk it. I understand this is a fantasy but I would love to see the military tell him, "Mr. President, we will be prepared to knock the Canucks off their high horse in 2-3 years. We will begin to make plans immediately to invade Canada as we only have contingency plans to defend against attacks from Russia, China, and Iran and a few other situations. We begin definitely begin to have war game scenarios in 22 months. Private Pyle accidently burned all our plans for the Canadian invasion otherwise we would be ready today."
 
Hungary was the only one of the 27 EU member states to vote against imposing tariffs on the US.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban has long been seen as close to President Trump but he also has domestic pressures to consider when it comes to tariffs.

On social media the minister for foreign affairs & trade, Peter Szijjarto, said: “Such measures would cause further damage to European economy and citizens by raising prices. The only way forward is negotiations, not retaliation.”
 
Segnosaur said:
Now Trump could himself personally invade Canada.
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I would love to see him march alone across the border with a tricorner hat and an 18th century musket and declare that Canada has been conquered. It might work. Millions of Canadians might die laughing. I'm all for conquering the Canucks as long as the Montreal Canadiens are disbanded and I get a Tim Horton's here in town!
 
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shemp said:
I don't know what happened but suddenly the Dow Jones is +1,473.47 (+3.91%) today. Herr Schitler and his motley crew must be jizzing their pants!
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And now it's up +2,162.90 (+5.75%) today! Up about 2,000 points in 15 minutes because Herr Schitler announced a 90 day pause on tariffs.
 
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Stocks surged after President Donald Trump announced a pause in tariffs, causing a market that’s been under extreme pressure the last 5 days to explode higher.

The S&P 500 gained 6%. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 2159 points, or 5.7%. The Nasdaq Composite jumped 8%.

Here’s what Trump posted on his Truth Social

“Countries have called Representatives of the United States, including the Departments of Commerce, Treasury, and the USTR, to negotiate a solution to the subjects being discussed relative to Trade, Trade Barriers, Tariffs, Currency Manipulation, and Non Monetary Tariffs, and that these Countries have not, at my strong suggestion, retaliated in any way, shape, or form against the United States, I have authorized a 90 day PAUSE, and a substantially lowered Reciprocal Tariff during this period, of 10%, also effective immediately. Thank you for your attention to this matter!”
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So he caved and declares victory.
 
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90 day pause on tariffs.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Based on the lack of respect that China has shown to the World's Markets, I am hereby raising the Tariff charged to China by the United States of America to 125%, effective immediately. At some point, hopefully in the near future, China will realize that the days of ripping off the U.S.A., and other Countries, is no longer sustainable or acceptable. Conversely, and based on the fact that more than 75 Countries have called Representatives of the United States, including the Departments of Commerce, Treasury, and the USTR, to negotiate a solution to the subjects being discussed relative to Trade, Trade Barriers, Tariffs, Currency Manipulation, and Non Monetary Tariffs, and that these Countries have not, at my strong suggestion, retaliated in any way, shape, or form against the United States, I have authorized a 90 day PAUSE, and a substantially lowered Reciprocal Tariff during this period, of 10%, also effective immediately. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
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