Trump's Second Term

[Fast Eddie B]

Donald has declared Biden's pardons are null and void

Even if the folks pardoned ultimately prevail - and I certainly hope they would - imagine the mental anguish and untold expense folks like Hunter Biden, other Biden family members, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the members of the Jan 6 commission and others would have to endure to fight charges brought by the DOJ. Possibly up to the Supreme Court, where the final outcome is far from certain.

We’ve entered very, very dangerous waters.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I’ve seen it suggested by a French politician that France may be asking for the Statue of Liberty back.

Funny, I always assumed that this was a glimpse of a future NYC, not somewhere in France!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Hitler wanted to conquer most of Europe - which he did. The war against Russia and the UK was to stop them fighting back and challenging Nazi Rule of Europe.

If the US hadn't massively engaged, with enormous material aid to Russia and weapons and bodies for the UK, Europe would have been under Nazi rule for a while.
Of course, Fascism is never stable, and the inevitable resistance would have thrown off the Nazi yoke.
But just before the time when the US entered the war in Europe in earnest, Germany had more or less won.

I disagree. The conquest of the lands to the east was Hitler's plan. Knocking France out of the fight first was a prerequisite to allow the real invasion to be launched without interference. Pretty much a second attempt at WW1.

 

[Andy_Ross]

There was never any intention to attack west, that was forced on Hitler by Britain and France declaring war. He was hoping to just move on the east.

Not really on topic for this thread though.

 

[KDLarsen]

I’ve seen it suggested by a French politician that France may be asking for the Statue of Liberty back.

Funny, I always assumed that this was a glimpse of a future NYC, not somewhere in France!

It certainly would make more sense, since I can't exactly imagine the statue casually bobbing out of the New York Bay to a locale similar to what was seen in the movie.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I think my point is being missed.

What I was trying to say was that without the US, Germany would have taken and held large parts of Europe, East and West (for a while).
So if Tucker says that Hitler should have won, he is saying that the US should have never gotten involved, or should have lost as far as he is concerned.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Your Republic is gone. The law means nothing, courts are ignored and your Congress is powerless.

Things are just starting, it will get worse, imagine what he will be doing by the summer if it continues as it is. He has no constraints on his power.

 

[Pixel42]

I’ve seen it suggested by a French politician that France may be asking for the Statue of Liberty back.

Funny, I always assumed that this was a glimpse of a future NYC, not somewhere in France!

A French poster on the other forum I belong to quoted it earlier today, though he didn't give a link.

Raphaël Glucksmann, a possible left-wing candidate in the next French presidential election: "We're going to say to the Americans who have swung to the side of the tyrants, who fired researchers for demonstrating scientific freedom, "Give us back the Statue of Liberty." We gave it to you as a gift, but apparently you despise it. So it will be just fine here at home."
"The second thing we're going to say to the Americans is 'if you want to fire your best researchers, if you want to fire all the people who, through their freedom and their sense of innovation, their taste for doubt and research, have made your country the world's leading power, well, we're going to welcome them.' "

 

[Andy_Ross]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901610657016959014

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

When Labour fails (and it will fail) we've got a version of this coming in the UK: the ultra-wealthy getting wealthier and distracting the ever less wealthy voters with scapegoats such as immigrants and welfare scroungers.

At some point the Monopoly board is going to be flipped by a natural disaster, global-scale war, devastating pandemic or a combination of all three.

Maybe next time we'll get it right.

 

[turingtest]

Even if the folks pardoned ultimately prevail - and I certainly hope they would - imagine the mental anguish and untold expense folks like Hunter Biden, other Biden family members, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the members of the Jan 6 commission and others would have to endure to fight charges brought by the DOJ. Possibly up to the Supreme Court, where the final outcome is far from certain.

We’ve entered very, very dangerous waters.

Agreed. If Trump physically signs an EO to the effect of his X declaration, he'll be creating a doctrine that Presidential pardons are easily revocable by Presidential successors (never mind his silly rationale for this case)- which would later include any that he has issued. If he doesn't sign such an EO, then the X declaration is easily dismissed on the same ground he gives for revoking Biden's pardons- that he didn't sign it. Or... he just declares that he is a king, and, by definition of that, an author of law but not subject to it.

And this is the ridiculous situation we find ourselves in because we elected a moron to be President.

 

[lionking]

Nm

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I think my point is being missed.

What I was trying to say was that without the US, Germany would have taken and held large parts of Europe, East and West (for a while).
So if Tucker says that Hitler should have won, he is saying that the US should have never gotten involved, or should have lost as far as he is concerned.

Maybe this should start which whatever Carlson did say. He didn't mention you-know-who at all in the clip posted, though he was clearly and deliberately avoiding creating some kind of hostage to fortune. What he did say was Europe was "degraded".

 

[Hercules56]

Tramp now claiming that many of Biden's Pardons are null & void. Cuz signed by an autopen.

 

[Garrison]

It wasn't the traditional civil service that carried out the holocaust (that had essentially been dismantled by that stage of the war), but a bunch of SS ideologues with assistance from the wehrmacht.

And a bunch of German industrialists only too willing to play along for fat profits and who had no qualms about using slave labour to build things like rockets...wait a second.

 

[Darat]

Agreed. If Trump physically signs an EO to the effect of his X declaration, he'll be creating a doctrine that Presidential pardons are easily revocable by Presidential successors (never mind his silly rationale for this case)- which would later include any that he has issued. If he doesn't sign such an EO, then the X declaration is easily dismissed on the same ground he gives for revoking Biden's pardons- that he didn't sign it. Or... he just declares that he is a king, and, by definition of that, an author of law but not subject to it.

And this is the ridiculous situation we find ourselves in because we elected a moron to be President.

This will only apply to pardons Trump wishes to revoke.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Most trumpkins would.

They realize that being Nazi-like is very much in line with their white supremacist ideology.

 

[Garrison]

Hitler wanted to conquer most of Europe - which he did. The war against Russia and the UK was to stop them fighting back and challenging Nazi Rule of Europe.

Not even close to true. Conquering Russia was a cornerstone of Hitler's ideology and he fought the British because they didn't make peace after the fall of France, precisely because German control of Western Europe undermined British security and oh yeah, Hitler was a lying sack of ◊◊◊◊ who broke every treaty he ever signed.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Tramp now claiming that many of Biden's Pardons are null & void. Cuz signed by an autopen.

It's a bit more insidious than that. He's claiming that (in his opinion) the pardons were autosigned without Biden's understanding or consent. He's saying Biden was so senile his decisions were actually being made by others without authority.

His argument is not that it's invalid because it was autosigned, it's that it was autosigned because it's invalid.

'Every accusation...' as they say. Do you suppose Trump actually reads documents before he mashes his sharpie on them?

 

[thaiboxerken]

There's nothing to worry about. I've been informed by MAGA/Nazis on the forum that this is not autocracy or dictatorship. It's just lefties whining because MAGA is doing things that liberals don't like......